Birth control doesn't prevent pregnancy.
McCain is a murderer. He advocates murder, pays for it and has vowed to use his power to keep it legal.
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Birth control doesn't prevent pregnancy.
McCain is a murderer. He advocates murder, pays for it and has vowed to use his power to keep it legal.
I'm really excited for NW's next post. They agree with us on when it's immoral to vote for a presidential candidate and were just confused about McCain's position. I'm hoping that now we've provided the proof that McCain advocates child-killing, they will agree with us which would be a far greater victory than anything else!
WandererInFog
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Nope, sorry to say you haven't. Rebuttal will be up by the deadline tomorrow.
nicholsmom
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How do you figure that?
GGQ8: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to kill this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ8: Yes.
GGQ9: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to fund the killing of this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ9: Yes.
GGQ10: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to use his power as President to keep it legal to kill this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ10: Yes.
nicholsmom
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I'm just curious (this is way out of the scope of the debate), which is worse: killing a baby (in the womb or out) or denying God access to the womb to create a child (denying existence of any kind whatever to a child that God desires to create)?
Denial of life on Earth vs. denial of life at all
BTW, you may want to ramp down the rhetoric - it's lying on a rather rabid level
nicholsmom
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You honestly think this is a point made? Wow.
Com'on Wanderer - I know you're running a business there, but I can't stand much more of their premature strutting
God opened and closed wombs in the Bible, and he also rained down food from heaven. Shopping at the grocery store is not a sin, and neither is contraception. (Contraception prevents conception and birth control prevents birth. BIG difference.) Yes this is off topic and maybe a debate for another time. It's one I've promised to discuss with Jill Stanek, so she's first on the list!
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I think you're confused. We think it's immoral to vote for a presidential candidate who would kill/fund/keep legal to kill an innocent child. You do too, by your own admission. Therefore...
They agree with us on when it's immoral to vote for a presidential candidate
What am I missing here?
Com'on Wanderer - I know you're running a business there, but I can't stand much more of their premature strutting
There is no strutting here. Maybe you misunderstood what I meant. When 2 Christians disagree on an issue of morality and one sees they're mistaken and they can come to agree, that's a beautiful thing. It's way better than getting an audience to say we won some debate and the pride that our flesh wants out of that. We're here to help edify people in their thoughts and actions.
You are missing the fact that the Democratic Party platform supports free legal abortions
You are missing the fact that the democrats are blocking the confirmation of conservative judges who could change the view of the court on laws against abortion
And the Republican party wants you to pay for legal abortions. Is there really much difference?
And the Republican party hasn't give us ONE Supreme Court justice that believes in the right to life for the unborn. They think the states should decide. Is there really much difference?
If you can’t see the difference, there is a lot that you are missing
Here's chrysostom-
Obama wants to kill kids out of the womb, McCain only wants to kill them in the womb. Vote Republican! :cheers:
Obama wants you to be able to kill your kid for free, McCain wants you to at least pay for it. Vote Republican! :cheers:
Obama wants pro-abortion judges, McCain wants judges who agree with him that the legality of killing children should be decided by each individual state. Vote Republican! :cheers:
Vote Republican and save children! :hammer:
You are missing logic and reason
We do not vote for McCain, we vote republican because they do not block the
confirmation of conservative judges
Can you tell the difference between a conservative judge and a liberal one?
We do not vote for McCain, we vote republican because they do not block the
confirmation of conservative judges
Can you tell the difference between a conservative judge and a liberal one?
Wow. So first, not voting for McCain is really voting for Obama. Now, voting for McCain is not voting for McCain. I'm all confused!
Yes. One letter.
I think you meant to say that birth control is not 100% effective at preventing pregnancy.
In the first place, he does not advocate murder. Accusing him of advocating murder is rhetoric used to emotionally charge the issue. He advocates a choice in the same way that a person who does not provide birth control to a sexually active couple advocate the same choice. I do not support abortion. I think it is wrong. What I am arguing against here is the position that an elected offical is cupable of murder for allowing abortion to be legal while a person who could have prevented a pregnancy that resultes in an abortion and didn't is not. It is a double standard that weakens our position.GodsfreeWill said:
David was also a part of the lineage of Christ, Christ was even referred to as the son of David. Does this mean that God condones adultery and murder?- Of course not.
You will notice that the writer of Hebrews tacked on to the end of the verse "when she had received the spies with peace." It doesn't say when she lied. Rahab was saved because she had faith in the God that rescued Isreal from Egypt. (Joshua 2:10)
If the two spies had gone to anyeone else they would have been executed. Rahab lived as a prostitute in a pegan city, she didn't have the law, she didn't know that adultery was sin, she didn't know that lying was sin. God didn't seem to hold issue with her lying but he also didn't hold issue with any of her past sin, and we see that throughout the Bible including Paul. With the scripture quoted, I see no evidence that lying was condoned.
So I ask again: How do you explain Proverbs 6:16-19? Did Solomon lie?
God hates lying (Proverbs 6:16-19) and God has many times made it clear that lying is sin both in the Old Testament and in the New.(Leviticus 19:11, Ephesians 4:25, Colossians 3:9, Exodus 20:16)
So again I also ask: If McCains lack of a proactive stance against abortion makes it immoral to vote for him, how then is it moral to vote for anyone including Alan Keyes who doesn't make a proactive stance towards criminalizing: lying, sowing discord among others, and those who have a proud look?
WandererInFog
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I've generally steered clear of making any substantive posts in this thread because I feel it detracts from the Battle Royale itself. However, misquoting in the manner you are which you are doing here is lying. I'd like to keep this friendly, but when someone directly lies about what I've said you begin to make it difficult to do so. The actual quote from our Round 2 Rebuttal is:
GGQ8: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to kill this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ8: Yes. But this is simply more emotionally laden rhetoric, as there is no Presidential candidate involved in this election who has expressed a desire to kill children.
GGQ9: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to fund the killing of this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ9: Yes. Have you read John McCain's stance upon the issue of abortion? He agrees with us.
GGQ10: Is it immoral to vote for a presidential candidate willing to use his power as President to keep it legal to kill this innocent child?
NWA-GGQ10: Yes. Again, this is not John McCain's position. He has pledged to do his part to end abortion - he will nominate constructionist judges who, by definition, would never overturn a personhood amendment, national or otherwise.
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