nikolai_42
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Indeed, traditions or settled modes of thought are hard to break. Which is troublesome if they are wrong.
Did God become flesh?
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Indeed, traditions or settled modes of thought are hard to break. Which is troublesome if they are wrong.
I think that you understand.
keypurr
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Consider that the son is the exact image of the Father so the son came after the Father. The Father was alone until he created his image. Heb 1
Keypur, what does "eternally" mean?
I am not sure what you are saying.
keypurr
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If God created all through his son then then son was created before time itself.
An image needs a subject to be an image of, God was alone before he created his exact image.
All images are creations. Can you name one that is not created?
keypurr
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The son is the express IMAGE of the Father, the Father is a spirit, so is the son. The son was used by the Father to created everything in heaven and earth. Heb 1, Col 1:15. The Son is the Lord of ALL creation, made so by his Father.
keypurr
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You just don't get it JR. I fully answered your question.
Jesus was born many years after the creation, but the logos was at the creation.
I do not know why you imply that Jesus is a spirit or that the Father is a spirit.
No, you didn't.
And once again, you have dodged my question.
Keypurr, please answer the question I ask, and not the question I did not.
What does "eternally" mean?
Actually, the passage is Trinitarian - Paul has been going back and forth between describing the different roles of all Three Members of the Godhead among the Ephesians through Paul's ministry.
Paul then wraps things up with his mention of all Three Members of the Godhead, in that verse.
Acts 17:11, 12.
Lol - keypurr's point goes to show that even a stopped clock is still right, at least twice a day.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
That's another Trinitarian verse, by the way.
Nehemiah 8:8
The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are the same Spirit I am believing, even though the words mean or describe something different.
keypurr
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I did not say Jesus was a spirit, I said the true Son is a spirit. The Son at the creation was NOT Jesus, it was the Spirit he was give at his anointing, remember the dove. The logos (true Son)became flesh in the body prepared for him/it, see Heb 10:5.
keypurr
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Yep, I did, but your to blind to see it. You try to dodge the subject matter all the time, but even time itself, as we know it, was created. The world was not created just 6000 years ago friend.
The logos is an IMAGE, it was the Fathers first creation and he was pleased that it/he contained his fullness. He had a beginning proved because he is a clone of his creator. Heb 1:3, Col 1:15.
I do not know how to answer you. But I do have an idea.
keypurr
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The word "spirit" is confusing.
The Hebrews had three words that were translated as spirit.
keypurr
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1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father,[/B] of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
I believe like Paul.
I have one God, YHWH and one Lord, Jesus Christ. I see only the Father s God as his son serves him and tells you in John that his Father is the ONLY true God.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
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