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Debunked: "There is no evidence for God"

Eric h

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Thanks for sharing.

If there is no evidence for God, then there is no evidence to say how the universe came to be purely by natural causes.
There is no real evidence to prove that life started from no life purely by natural causes.
There is no real evidence that life could evolve purely by natural causes.

All there is is waffle with no substance.
 

Derf

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Short little video that concisely debunks the claim that there is no evidence for God:

I'm evidence for God. You're evidence for God. The universe is evidence for God. Everything in the universe is evidence for God. There is nothing that exists that is not evidence for God, since He made everything in heaven and earth. Saying there is no evidence for God is a way of saying I don't believe in God, and therefore there is no evidence. The fool says that. That's what makes him a fool.
 

Derf

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I think, therefore I AM
At least, I think I am. But I don't think "I AM"
I know you capitalized "I AM", but God thinks, therefore I am: I AM, therefore I am.
But because God can think us into existence, we can think: I am, therefore I think.
I can't think myself into existence, but I can imagine, and then create something else, though not from nothing: I think, therefore [something else]
 

ok doser

Well-known member
At least, I think I am. But I don't think "I AM"
I know you capitalized "I AM", but God thinks, therefore I am: I AM, therefore I am.
But because God can think us into existence, we can think: I am, therefore I think.
I can't think myself into existence, but I can imagine, and then create something else, though not from nothing: I think, therefore [something else]
That's putting de cart before the horse
 

Lon

Well-known member
Romans 1 says the same:
Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

So literally, all men are born knowing God exists, if God is right ( 0.o )! Literally all men see God clearly, and understood, so that all people have no excuse for disbelief at all.

Kierkegaard, I think, wasn't quite correct about a 'leap of faith' in the sense of proof. Rather, we trust in God Who is there, and has made Himself clear and plain by what He has made. It is a principle of identity: If I have characteristics that are what we would call 'divine' (right, good, holy, loving), then that value must necessarily exist already in the universe as itself. Because of that, whatever 'big bang' or any other originator (God surely), must have contained the property or it could not exist now. Love isn't an atom. Grace isn't a cell. Both and all characteristics of God and good men are examples of identity: If it exists, something else of it does too, to infuse it. All men intuitively then, do know, beyond doubt, that beauty exists and they love it. Love exists and they embrace it. Therefore, all things attributed to God are "clearly seen so that all men are without excuse."

We are rocks, crying out. God literally doesn't need us because He already has said that He is clearly enough evident for every man. One must then assess, necessarily, that any who claims atheism, is as scriptures says: exchanged, truth, and thought themselves only flesh as the lie.

Such illuminates why evolution, as if anything can exist without God or change without Him, is such a problem. It is the 'self-accidental-evolving-survival-of-the-fittest' that is directly contested by God and scriptures. Any Christian evolutionist either is 'not' or has augmented his/her definition of 'evolution' as to be 'creation with purpose' which really isn't 'evolution' by definition, but perhaps mechanism. They are arguing over God's tool choice at that point, not against God creating the universe and man with a clear and easily recognizable purpose.
 
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