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What is the source of this incredible information?
My sources (I can find and quote, if requested) say that the phrase "surely die" is pretty common in Hebrew, occurs 49 times in the Old Testament, and never means 2 deaths.
Could God forgive without crucifixion?
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What is the source of this incredible information?
My sources (I can find and quote, if requested) say that the phrase "surely die" is pretty common in Hebrew, occurs 49 times in the Old Testament, and never means 2 deaths.
Predi
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Of course it doesn't.
But most of addressees of Paul's Epistles never saw written Gospels. Don't you think Paul had to write everything that was really crucial for salvation?
Paul doesn't just say anything about Lord's prayer. He actually never tells anyone to ask God for forgiveness, or confess sins to God.
does paul tell you he doesn't sin?
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Sure HE can and did. However, blood needed to be shed, perfect sinless human blood, had to be shed for the power of sin to be canceled out. Why?, because without it no one already forgiven would ever have been be able enter into the presence of God either by transfiguration or when they die. Sorry, no sin allowed. Not even the smell of it.
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He actually calls himself blameless in Ephesians 1:4.
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Thanks. This is the traditional explanation, the problem is I don't see it clearly stated in the Bible. "enter into presence... when they die..." Verse?
All I know is Jesus had lunches with sinners.
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What I missed was that the default translation here is not very good. The word 'should' is not in Greek.
No small feat, considering that every other person besides Jesus was a sinner, duh
What is the Hebrew word for die and what is the penalty for sin? Job asked, "If a man dies, shall he live again?" (Job 14:14)
Job then answers his own question, "All the days of my hard service I will wait till my change comes.You shall call and I will answer You, You shall desire the work of Your hands." In the KJV hard service is translated appointed time which is a better translation.
We only live twice.
It was death that man needed, death to sin, death to the old life, death and resurrection. Only Christ provides this.
If He had not died for us we would have had to die for ourselves.....then we would be dead....no resurrection
If He had not died for us we would have had to die for ourselves.....then we would be dead....no resurrection
lucky you
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Ask yourself the question while keeping mind that before the cross, where did the righteous of the OT go when they died?
But John does. (1 John 1:9)
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I honestly have no idea where they went. I didn't even know the righteous and unrighteous were separated.
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Yes, the only verse in the Bible that speaks about confessing sins! Also, John says a few pages later who is born of God does not sins... so the literal, traditional exegesis has a little contradiction here.
How can I confess sins if I died to them? And God remembers them no more? Plus, I'm not even under the law! (Romans 6, Hebrews 8)? I can't see how this only verse would make me kneel every night and make a list of my transgressions, if a hundred other verses tell me I don't have to anymore.
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There is a Spiritual transformation that is a process, it is not an instaneous thing.
"But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end eternal life." Romans 6:22