Coronavirus conspiracy theory - let's get it straight

marke

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True. If my scenario of an airborne AIDS were coming to fruition, we should all acknowledge that extreme measures would be justified instead of saying that such measures would never be appropriate. The question of where to draw the line is the most important question. The level of restriction needs to make sense, and the level of convenience must be considered. Masking up and getting a vaccine in my mind is very convenient. If the government fails to put the nation on shut down when a virus is dangerous enough would be a greater tragedy than temporary over-reactions.

Masks and shutdowns have proven to cause more harm than good, which is why officials who continue to promote them are doing great damage to our nation and its people.
 

ffreeloader

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I think I understand you more. You just read headlines and if it seems to support your view, you post it without trying to gain a deeper understanding.

Here, you post a claim that supports your contention even less than your previous offering. Ninety percent of UK citizens are vaccinated. When two groups set for comparison have vastly different sizes, you must weight things to be able to apply an accurate interpretation. The more people that are vaccinated with an imperfect vaccine, the higher the number of vaccinated people who are hospitalized there will be. Sixty-eight percent of those hospitalized were vaccinated. If the vaccine did nothing, we would expect 90 percent of deaths to be among the vaccinated. This data supports the idea that the vaccine is protective.
You're a complete idiot. The vaccines cause more harm than they prevent. Remember Fauci and company telling you the vaccines were 95% effective? What happened to that claim? Was it true? Where is the risk benefit ratio when nearly 7 in 10 people hospitalized are vaccinated for a disease which kills maybe 1% of those infected. There is no risk benefit ratio in favor of vaccines.

Here is more for you to misunderstand. More than a thousand peer reviewed studies showing vaccines cause lethal harm.
 

Skeeter

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You're a complete idiot. The vaccines cause more harm than they prevent. Remember Fauci and company telling you the vaccines were 95% effective? What happened to that claim? Was it true? Where is the risk benefit ratio when nearly 7 in 10 people hospitalized are vaccinated for a disease which kills maybe 1% of those infected. There is no risk benefit ratio in favor of vaccines.

Here is more for you to misunderstand. More than a thousand peer reviewed studies showing vaccines cause lethal harm.
Let me help you see your error. If 100% of those hospitalized are vaccinated in a population with 100% vaccination rate, does that tells us much about how effective the vaccine is?

To have a true understanding of the effectiveness we need to know how many had the vaccine and were not hospitalized, genius.
 

marke

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Let me help you see your error. If 100% of those hospitalized are vaccinated in a population with 100% vaccination rate, does that tells us much about how effective the vaccine is?

To have a true understanding of the effectiveness we need to know how many had the vaccine and were not hospitalized, genius.
How many 'breakthrough' cases of covid infections are needed to prove the vaccine does not prevent covid infections? Just one, Einstein. How many breakthrough infections have we seen so far? Tens of thousands. Just ask Pocahontas Warren, Spartan Booker, Jim Cramer, Tim Walz, and Whoopee Goldberg, just to name a few to get you off the ground and running.
 

way 2 go

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Skeeter

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How many 'breakthrough' cases of covid infections are needed to prove the vaccine does not prevent covid infections? Just one, Einstein.
If you are an all or none thinker and you are. You appear iincapable of adjusting your semantics
How many breakthrough infections have we seen so far? Tens of thousands. Just ask Pocahontas Warren, Spartan Booker, Jim Cramer, Tim Walz, and Whoopee Goldberg, just to name a few to get you off the ground and running.
A reduced rate of infection means that some infection is prevented so it prevents infection, but not absolutely. Even the best vaccine does not prevent infection absolutely. The vax is based on the original strain. And, predictable does a less efficient job of preventing infection on novel variants.

You suffer from immaculate imperception.
 
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way 2 go

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marke

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If you are an all or none thinker and you are. You appear iincapable of adjusting your semantics

A reduced rate of infection means that some infection is prevented so it prevents infection, but not absolutely. Even the best vaccine does not prevent infection absolutely. The vax is based on the original strain. And, predictable does a less efficient job of preventing infection.

You suffer from immaculate imperception.
You continue to ignore increasing evidence that the vaccine harms and kills, which qualifies it for removal from use.

Several posts on Instagram have compared the rollout of a swine flu vaccine in the US in the 1970s with the Covid-19 vaccination programme.

The posts claim that the rollout of the swine flu vaccine in 1976 was halted after it caused 32 deaths, while “more than 10,991 people have died from the Covid vaccines in the US alone”.

Full Fact could find no official confirmation of 32 deaths caused by the vaccine, though this figure has been reported as one estimate, and reports state that the rollout was halted after concerns around the risk of Guillain-Barré syndrome.

According to the CDC, there were 6,207 reports of death among people who received a Covid-19 vaccine up to 26 July, but there is no evidence these were directly caused by the vaccine.


Leftist genius: There is no evidence the deaths were caused by the vaccine.
Right-wing genius: There is no evidence the vaccine did not cause the sudden deaths.
 

Yorzhik

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It has been shown that a large portion of citizens have a callous disregard for their potential to be vectors of a disease with a severity that can overwhelm Emergency Departments.
The opposite has been shown. Few hospitals exceeded their capacities even at the height of this COVID reaction madness. Of those that did, none were caused by "callous disregard for their potential to be vectors of a disease". Most were caused by callous disregard for protecting the most vulnerable ala Cuomo.

You agree Cuomo was a murder, right? At least after it was found out that he was aware that sick people were being sent into old folks homes and he didn't put a stop to it (and there is evidence that he overrode the sensibilities of people that were trying to protect the vulnerable). And you trust people in the know, journalists and politicians, that didn't condemn him from the start?

And after people like Cuomo created the only burdens on the hospital system at the beginning, the over-capacity problems we have today are from staff shortages, not "callous disregard for their potential to be vectors of a disease".

Intentionality exists in gradations: knowingly, recklessly, negligently. Denial prevents people from fully recognizing risky behavior. The government would do well to react against the pathology of its citizens. A republic involves representatives who can make informed decisions, sometimes unpopular ones for the greater good.
You write similar to Barbarian, a former poster here at TOL. I regarded Barbarian as someone that always gave the best answer for the side of evil and I appreciated his excellent challenge to my ideas. He's gone but you're here so I guess you win the prize of the person with the best answer for the side of evil.

To answer this point, it's simply not true that anyone, at least enough people of any statistical significance, is in denial that seasonal sicknesses need to be protected against or spread to others. We've been mitigating against disease long before COVID, and those mitigating factors would have resulted in a great deal less death had the government not stepped in to "help".

Here are the facts: There were about 500K excess deaths in 2020. About 130K of those excess deaths were not from COVID. There should have been almost no excess deaths if it were not COVID, especially not about 25% of the excess!

Then, in 2021, even with the vaccine, excess deaths continued despite 2020 pulling up the average number of expected deaths, and an even greater percentage of those are not COVID related!

With these two facts we can conclude that the vaccine doesn't work very well, that the government helping caused more deaths than if they had done nothing, and that the pandemic was over long ago.

You and your camp are the current day homos. Some gay guys refused to believe AIDS was real or serious -- just like you, they denied the risk and complained about the burden. It was a government conspiracy to stop free love. They were safe to do as they please as long as they were healthy, did not use poppers or other drugs, etc. You are the group in denial of the risks. Right wing talk show hosts are the promiscuous ones spreading the disease and dying at higher rates
As you just learned, people like me properly assessed the risk and people like you supported murderers like Cuomo (or at the very least you trust people that to this day defend murderers like Cuomo), and you also negligently supported the factors that caused excess deaths of people that died from all other causes.

True. If my scenario of an airborne AIDS were coming to fruition, we should all acknowledge that extreme measures would be justified instead of saying that such measures would never be appropriate.
Certainly people would take those measures in a normal society. The government would, again, need to do nothing.

The question of where to draw the line is the most important question. The level of restriction needs to make sense, and the level of convenience must be considered. Masking up and getting a vaccine in my mind is very convenient. If the government fails to put the nation on shut down when a virus is dangerous enough would be a greater tragedy than temporary over-reactions.
And to be fair, you need to ask if the government needs to be involved at all. So far, for all diseases we know of or can speculate about, the government doing nothing is the safest course.
 

ffreeloader

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Let me help you see your error. If 100% of those hospitalized are vaccinated in a population with 100% vaccination rate, does that tells us much about how effective the vaccine is?

To have a true understanding of the effectiveness we need to know how many had the vaccine and were not hospitalized, genius.
Ignored every question I asked you. Why? Because if you answered them honestly you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
 

Skeeter

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You're a complete idiot. The vaccines cause more harm than they prevent. Remember Fauci and company telling you the vaccines were 95% effective? What happened to that claim? Was it true? Where is the risk benefit ratio when nearly 7 in 10 people hospitalized are vaccinated for a disease which kills maybe 1% of those infected. There is no risk benefit ratio in favor of vaccines.

Here is more for you to misunderstand. More than a thousand peer reviewed studies showing vaccines cause lethal harm.

Ignored every question I asked you. Why? Because if you answered them honestly you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Fauci's estimate for efficacy was reasonably accurate for the original strain. He acknowledged that the duration of efficacy remained to be solidified. He hoped for life was a possibility, thought at least a year was realistic, but we found 6 months was the more accurate window. The vaccines did reasonably well with delta. With omicron they are very ineffective at preventing infection but at least that reduce the severity of symptoms to a good degree.

These public health officials are dealing with a moving target. They know the chances of inadequacy, but do not emphasize them when they are trying to get 80% of people on board. Unfortunately, the approach is to share less with stupid people, because they will probably distort the picture. Sharing less can also drum up paranoia. Fauci has a hard job.
 

Skeeter

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Death is one symptom vaccines help reduce in the omicron infected individuals. This adds 17 times the protection compared to what the unvaccinated face.
 

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reduce the severity of
runny nose ,headache ,sore throat ...

It's looking more and more like Trump was in on the coronavirus scam from the very beginning. He was in cahoots with the Deep State from the beginning of the plandemic until now. Only a fool would doubt that at this point. It was Trump who appointed Fauci, it was Trump who initiated "Operation Warp Speed" to create these deadly COVID vaccines, and it is Trump who is promoting the vaccines to this day, despite the fact that these big farma vaccines have already proovably killed trillions of people in the USA alone! No wonder Trump's MAGA base is turning on him like swine that have had pearls cast before them! For example:

Rright-wing pastor Greg Locke recently criticized former President Donald Trump for supporting coronavirus vaccines, insisting that Trump "is going to lose his voter base" if he continues to do so.

Locke, who previously touted election conspiracy theories in favor of Trump, told members of his church that he is "sick" of the former president promoting the protective COVID-19 measure.

"He was lied to and he knows it. And his arrogance won't let him change his mind. I'm telling you right now, on the authority of the Bible, if Donald Trump does not get out in front of this vaccine nonsense he is going to lose his voter base in the next coming election," Locke said during a recent sermon, according to a video posted by Right Wing Watch on Monday.

"He needs to quit pushing this mess. Because the greatest president that we've ever known is going to be blamed for more deaths than we've ever seen, and his arrogance won't let him see it."

Locke's comments come as Trump has repeatedly touted the efficacy of coronavirus vaccines and taken credit for their progress under his administration.

 

Skeeter

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but Death is one symptom of the vaccines
I'll stick with NyQuil™
Nyquil contains acetaminophen, dextromethorphan, and doxylamine.
Acetaminophen remains the leading cause of liver failure in the U.S., sending 56,000 people to the emergency room annually, according to the FDA. There are about 200 acetaminophen-related deaths each year.
 

way 2 go

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Nyquil contains acetaminophen, dextromethorphan, and doxylamine.
Acetaminophen remains the leading cause of liver failure in the U.S., sending 56,000 people to the emergency room annually, according to the FDA. There are about 200 acetaminophen-related deaths each year.
so don't over do it , good advice
 

Yorzhik

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