Constitutional Monarchy

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I do not think

There you go with your opinion again, and once again, that's all it is, and nothing more.

any human government can survive as it moves away from God.

Duh, Marke. DUH!

You're once again COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT!

The point is not WHETHER a government will move away from God, but rather HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE BEFORE IT MOVES AWAY!

The republic of America has lasted for 250 years, and is already well into its collapse.

England, a constitutional monarchy, though I suppose within the last few centuries or so they've been slowly doing away with having the monarch rule and now mostly just have a parliament ruling, with the monarch being a mostly ceremonial position, so I guess we'll see how much longer she lasts, has lasted for just under 1100 YEARS, and despite them being farther leftist than America, I don't see England collapsing anytime soon!

The goal is STABILITY, marke!

A constitutional monarchy FAR outclasses ANY republic!

Kingdoms have risen and fallen as corruption has taken them over.

So far, England has not fallen, despite being one of the most corrupt nations on earth.

There is no monarchy on earth that is showing itself to be superior to the American Constitutional government,

Superior how?

Because America isn't that high of a bar, and you would be deluding yourself if you think it is.

including or excluding flaws.

ALL governments have flaws, marke, but how fast they decay depends on WHAT the flaws are and how they are addressed. The goal of the proposed Constitutional Monarchy is to REDUCE the number of flaws, and minimize, as much as is possible, the rate of decay of the government, so that the people who live under it do not suffer.

The current form of government has too many flaws, and at this point, there is nothing left to do but wait for it to fail as a whole, because there is NO RECOVERY for a republic, as @Yorzhik said.

A constitutional monarchy, as he also said, has the chance to recover, within one's lifetime, if not a shorter period of time!
 

ffreeloader

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There you go with your opinion again, and once again, that's all it is, and nothing more.



Duh, Marke. DUH!

You're once again COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT!

The point is not WHETHER a government will move away from God, but rather HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE BEFORE IT MOVES AWAY!

The republic of America has lasted for 250 years, and is already well into its collapse.

England, a constitutional monarchy, though I suppose within the last few centuries or so they've been slowly doing away with having the monarch rule and now mostly just have a parliament ruling, with the monarch being a mostly ceremonial position, so I guess we'll see how much longer she lasts, has lasted for just under 1100 YEARS, and despite them being farther leftist than America, I don't see England collapsing anytime soon!

The goal is STABILITY, marke!

A constitutional monarchy FAR outclasses ANY republic!



So far, England has not fallen, despite being one of the most corrupt nations on earth.



Superior how?

Because America isn't that high of a bar, and you would be deluding yourself if you think it is.



ALL governments have flaws, marke, but how fast they decay depends on WHAT the flaws are and how they are addressed. The goal of the proposed Constitutional Monarchy is to REDUCE the number of flaws, and minimize, as much as is possible, the rate of decay of the government, so that the people who live under it do not suffer.

The current form of government has too many flaws, and at this point, there is nothing left to do but wait for it to fail as a whole, because there is NO RECOVERY for a republic, as @Yorzhik said.

A constitutional monarchy, as he also said, has the chance to recover, within one's lifetime, if not a shorter period of time!
The Roman Empire began as a constitutional monarchy also. That didn't last all that long, 200 to 300 years, before it started morphing into other forms of government. It ended up as one of the cruelest and most tyrannical of all nations in the history of the earth.

Monarchies are nothing more than centralized government which means the very few control the many. That's the issue we face in this nation today. It is the basic premise of communism that government owns and controls everything. Monarchies are no different in principle,
 

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The Roman Empire began as a constitutional monarchy also. That didn't last all that long, 200 to 300 years, before it started morphing into other forms of government. It ended up as one of the cruelest and most tyrannical of all nations in the history of the earth.

The Roman Empire also lasted over 1000 years, and was, despite its wickedness, one of the most stable empires to exist.

As was said before, ffreeloader, an evil king is just one person who needs to be convinced in order to repent and turn the nation around.

You will NEVER convince millions to repent.

Monarchies are nothing more than centralized government which means the very few control the many.

Mono means one...

Which means one person controls the nation, not a few.

And as said before: a SINGLE point of accountability often rightly motivates, because even an evil king knows that history will hold him personally responsible for his government’s actions.

That's the issue we face in this nation today.

As of 2020, there were 2.9 million federal employees in the US government, and 19.8 million state and local government employees.

There are a total of 545 people in the positions of president, supreme court justices, and congress members combined.

VS

1 king
10 judges serving under him
And any people he might appoint to leadership roles as heads of certain departments of the government, excluding positions over certain things that are prohibited by the proposed constitution, such as welfare programs and public education.

So what's the "issue that we face today" that applies to both systems, ffree?

It is the basic premise of communism that government owns and controls everything.

Where has that "premise" ever been stated or even implied in either this or the original thread, or even in the kgov.com/constitution link?

Because quite the opposite is stated:


Each person, including visiting foreigners, has God-given rights that this Government exists to protect, the right . . . to Purchase and Use Property;


Proposed Constitution page


Buying and Selling: Biblical Defense
The government will need to purchase land, buildings, equipment, supplies, and sell excess inventories.

Forced Sales: Biblical Defense
No rules are provided for getting a fair appraised value because any leader will either be fair or not.

. . .

Against Communism: Biblical Apologetic

· Communist countries endorse evolution and oppose theism to rationalize their criminal behavior. [C P]

Against Public Education: Biblical Apologetic

· The government does not have the right to force someone to pay for another man’s education. [C P]

National Debt: Biblical Apologetic

· A debtor nation is more at risk being less able to defend its sovereignty than a creditor nation. [C P]

King’s Compensation: Biblical Apologetic

· The King’s compensation should increase as the income of his subjects increases, and viceversa. [C P]

Carved in Stone: Biblical Apologetic [Constitution Political]

· The arguments for the Amendment Process also defend this provision. [C P]

· Joshua engraved the law on stone. [C P]

· By the Constitution, the fivepercent tax rate may occasionally drop to one percent.

· never increases above five percent. The government surplus, invested well, may produce enough

income, with the additional one percent tax revenues, to fund the government indefinitely. If so, find, the rate stays at one percent, effectively lowering the rate. Of course, many Monarchs will not have the best interest of the country, nor of the subjects, in mind. Theft...

· Government support of the redistribution of wealth is expressly forbidden. The government cannot

inspire or enforce any form of socialism, communism, or collectivism. Further, it cannot nationalize, take over or regulate any business, health care or service, including education. The government, at every level, is specifically forbidden to tax or spend money for the purpose of education.

· If someone is wrongly accused of tax evasion, his false accuser must pay restitution for the reasonable expenses incurred by the taxpayer in mounting his defense.

· FIX: Subjects may pay taxes weekly, monthly, quarterly or annually with no interest penalty assessed for annual payment.

· The King may specify the medium of exchange acceptable as tax payment.


Biblical Apologetic for the Constitution (Work in Progress) page

Monarchies are no different in principle,

The proposed constitution and government is the exact opposite of that. Had you read the materials, you would know that.
 

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Let's be fair.

Yes, let's. How about we start with you responding to what has been said to you that you have yet to respond to.

How many kingdoms do you know of in human history that were superior to our Constitutional form of government,

Asked before: Superior how?

Be specific.

Otherwise, I'm just going to point to Israel's Constitutional Monarchy, which lasted for about 300 years for Israel, and about 430 years for Juda.

and how many lasted for a long time

There are several governments that lasted for well over a thousand years throughout history. Most of them were empires, with monarchs beneath the emperor.

as good monarchies

Define "good monarchy."

Also, keep in mind that the objective in this discussion is to find the most stable, most God-honoring form of government, because such are, by definition, the best governments.

blessed by God?

What is with this fascination you have that a government be "blessed by God"?

I've explained to you before what "blessed" means when it comes to nations.

A government will be blessed by God by honoring Him and by abiding by His principles. It's as simple as that.

Or what, do you think that a government has to receive God's blessing for it to be a valid government? In which case America's fails, because there was no direct blessing given by God at it's founding, and you cannot establish that there was.
 

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Yes, let's. How about we start with you responding to what has been said to you that you have yet to respond to.



Asked before: Superior how?

Be specific.

Otherwise, I'm just going to point to Israel's Constitutional Monarchy, which lasted for about 300 years for Israel, and about 430 years for Juda.



There are several governments that lasted for well over a thousand years throughout history. Most of them were empires, with monarchs beneath the emperor.



Define "good monarchy."

Also, keep in mind that the objective in this discussion is to find the most stable, most God-honoring form of government, because such are, by definition, the best governments.



What is with this fascination you have that a government be "blessed by God"?

I've explained to you before what "blessed" means when it comes to nations.

A government will be blessed by God by honoring Him and by abiding by His principles. It's as simple as that.

Or what, do you think that a government has to receive God's blessing for it to be a valid government? In which case America's fails, because there was no direct blessing given by God at it's founding, and you cannot establish that there was.
We are living in the ends times and are told in the Bible that most governments on earth will be subjected to a supreme ruler of the devil. I do not look for any earthly king to rule over a kingdom not subject to the devil, and I do not want to be ruled over by a king who is of the devil.
 

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We are living in the ends times

How is that at all relevant to the discussion?

and are told in the Bible that most governments on earth will be subjected to a supreme ruler of the devil.

Again, relevance?

I do not look for any earthly king to rule over a kingdom not subject to the devil,

Double negative.

and I do not want to be ruled over by a king who is of the devil.

If you're a member of the body of Christ, you have nothing to worry about, since we'll be up in heaven by that point.

So again, how is ANY of this relevant to the thread?

Was what I said not clear enough?
 

marke

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How is that at all relevant to the discussion?



Again, relevance?



Double negative.



If you're a member of the body of Christ, you have nothing to worry about, since we'll be up in heaven by that point.

So again, how is ANY of this relevant to the thread?

Was what I said not clear enough?
I'm sorry to have to admit this but I also don't really see the relevance in continuing to discuss this.
 
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