godrulz said:Huh? I must be tired or you are drunk :bang:
godrulz said:Simplistic ignorance of the formation of the Bible...
Mustard Seed said:Their first ruler was a righteous man. Also you seem to forget that the Egyptian empire spanned several different dynasties who's familial origins were not as homogenous as many imagine.
Urizen said:More than you want me to list in a post:
This list sci-fi/fantasy authors by religious affiliation, you'll notice that when you get to the bottom of the section on LDS, it actually provides a link to second page with another 200+ LDS sci-fi/fantasy authors....
HerodionRomulus said:First ruler? According to scholastic sources, http://www.ancient-egypt.org/
Menes is the first ruler of the united kingdoms but with this caveat
"As none of the sources from the Early Dynastic Period mention his name and as none of the deeds credited to him can be associated with any of the archaeologically attested kings, the identification of this Menes, however, is problematic."
Further, I made no mention of the various dynasties but that does not mean I was forgetful. You are putting words in my mouth--don't!
Just so you know, one of my degrees is history and this is an area of particular interest to me, though it has been years since I studied the period; I have moved on to other areas of interest such as Hispano-Islamic culture.
Mustard Seed said:Curious. Do you hold that language was the result of massive evolutionary jumps, as is the take most comonly taken in current views of the advent of the written word?
Also have you read much of the common storys and accounts surrounding the initial discovery and founding of Egypt? How familiar are you with available accounts as to the begining of Egypt as a land?
HerodionRomulus said:Language development? Not something I have ever devoted much consideration to.
See my last paragraph for the answer to your last paragraph.
Mustard Seed said:Language development is rather fascinating from the bit I've read about it. The earliest forms they have of it has it appearing at a level of complexity that would be far removed from even early attempts at evolving a language. It's also interesting that the bulk of the earliest writtings they've found seem to be almost solely focused on religion. An evolutionary view on humans would seemingly demand an evolutionary view of writting. Yet, as is the same with revelations on metallurgy, it seems to have appeared on the seen as a fully developed, complex system of communication. No centuries worth of scriblings and attempts at making and refining the system. It just appears on the scene, ready to go.
With regard to the second question I was hoping for actual references to primary sources you were aware of touching the topic. I was quite aware of your last paragraph, that was the reasoning for seeking a deeper awareness as to what you'd become privy to.
Are you familiar with the likes of Hermann Junker or Sethe and Spielberg? What's your knowledge of the Leyden Book of Breathings? How familiar are you with the indications in ancient texts to a woman coming to Egypt and establishing her son on the throne? Sethe would place such an event a thousand years before Menes. As the book I'm reading on the subject puts it the arrival of this woman to Egypt, and the yearly observance of a kind of "founders day" that was utterly detatched from the worship or Re and Osiris or any other mystical, abstract or symbolic content so as to leave a certainty that it had some solid connection to an actual event. It apparently even had a place. Now I'm not going to claim to have personaly studied all these documents but I'm curious as to how you would respond to these things.
HerodionRomulus said:Unlike biological evolution which is trial and error and takes many generations for a trait to become fixed, language would seem to be immediate because it's utility is so apparent. Written language was such a "duh" kind of thing that it's adoption seems instantaneous. Think of the printing press. It caused an overnight explosion of books and other publications because it's utility was immediately apparent. Perhaps the same with spoken languages.
As to sources, sorry should have cited: http://www.ancient-egypt.org/
Dr Halsell has an excellent website for sourcebooks, not just for egypt but for various historical links and primary sources.
Not specifically familiar with the authors you mentioned. As I said, this was an area of interest in the past but it's been years since I devoted much attention to it. Still, I may get interested again when they digup the Abydos Stargate. :jump: