Your works [that you admit have not saved you] are an abomination
cheap salvation
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Your works [that you admit have not saved you] are an abomination
If it were possible that we by our works or obedience could be saved then God would not have sent His Son to the cross.
You cain't be saved until you admit your disobedience [sin] if you claim obedience you are saying you have not sinned, making God a liar.
You cain't be saved until you admit your disobedience [sin] if you claim obedience you are saying you have not sinned, making God a liar.
this statement alone shows you do not understand what Jesus did
nor
do you understand what we are saying
so
let me ask you a question
was anyone saved before Jesus did what He did?
yes or no
SaulToPaul 2
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So stop it right there. You add your own opinion to Jesus' salvation. That's what makes simple salvation complicated meaninglessly.
You are playing game.
here is one of newbies "cheap salvation" pushers.
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Ben Masada
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In that case, if Jesus were still around, he would be in trouble with you because Jesus was the one himself who had said that the only thing to save you is to listen to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31) You don't believe him, do you? I'll understand if you tell me: "Yes, I don't believe what he said." Well Meshak, indeed, there is no other way to say that thing because, I have proved with the proper evidence in Luke 16:29-31 that, he did say that there is no other way to achieve salvation but to listen to "Moses aka the Law.
Which is the reason why the 7 churches in Rev. that existed in what is now modern day Turkey (then called Asia in the Word) no longer exist, but are buried in a country that is 99% Muslim. As He said He would, He removed their CANDLESTICK. For those of you who don't know, this was a reference to the MENORAH in the inner court portion of the Tabernacle OF MOSES.
But why listen to us.....go on thinking your Hellenistic, Constantine approved, watered down anti-grafted-into-the-tree, understanding of the Word is correct. Soon the candlestick will be removed again. Peace
Ben Masada
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If you ask me, that's absurd and akin to a mind out of order. Without repentance if this is what you mean, there is no chance to achieve salvation. (Isaiah 1:18,19) Without repentance and return to the obedience of God's Law, there will be no personal salvation
Ben Masada
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I don't think that the point is that they don't know but because Christian
preconceived notions have them "by the nose" if you understand the figure of speech.
Ben Masada
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What defines what makes one achieve salvation is not the region where he or she dwells but the way how he or she takes according to Jesus' instructions about listening to "Moses" aka the Law. (Luke 16:29-31)
I don't take your opinion seriously because you don't accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
good day.
Ben Masada
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I do enjoy metaphorical language but, I am not a genius. Sometimes I do need some extra help as in this case. I do not understand what you mean by speaking out of both nostrils. Mind to add a word or two more?
Ben Masada
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Of course, you mean those who follow the gospel of Paul. I prefer to follow the gospel of Jesus as I have done it from birth.
lifeisgood
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If you truly grateful to Jesus and what He has done, stop spreading cheap gospel by saying, 'I, meshak, must work because without my, meshak's work, Jesus cannot save meshak.'
What a cheap gospel you're spreading, when Jesus said, 'It is finished' and the veil of the Temple was rent from top to bottom.
Has anybody explained to you what that renting meant, meshak?
Jesus also said, "COME UNTO ME all who are tired and heavy ladden, and I, Jesus, will give you rest (I will save you)."
He was talking about you, meshak. He is saying to you, meshak, stop trying to do things to be saved. I, Jesus, have done everything, meshak, just come to me, Jesus, and let me, Jesus, save you.
Then obey Him, for He says to you:
Let me, Jesus, save you meshak, and then, I, Jesus, will tell you meshak, the real work I, Jesus, want you, meshak, to do because by then, I, Jesus, will have already saved you, and then you will not be so tired and heavy ladden working yourself to the ground to find a way of salvation, when I, Jesus, already did it all, but, meshak, first let me, Jesus, save you, so that I, Jesus, can tell you the works I, Jesus, have prepared for you to do since the foundation of the world.
Be obedient to the Lord Jesus Christ, meshak, let Him save you as He asks.
You "nose" what I'm talking about.
Ben Masada
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1) - Doing good works and deeds, I do find akin to observing the Law. And according to James 2:26, to claim faith without the good works and deeds of the Law is to claim a dead body without the breath of life. Dead in a word if you want to understand what James meant.
2) - The admission of being saved is too preemptive hypocrisy. As all blessings from the Lord are voluntary, the personal sense of salvation can be removed. (Ezek. 3:17-19)
3) - Indeed, one must learn his or her right to salvation as Jesus said that we must listen to "Moses" aka the Law to keep salvation "fresh" so to speak.
4) - That's true but, since and, for that matter,"There has never been a man upon earth so just as to have done only good and never sinned, the Lord has given us allowances to cover those defaults by setting things up with Him so that, our sins, even from scarlet red become as white as snow through repentance and return to the obedience of the Lord. (Isaiah 1:18-19)
5) - You have missed the whole of the Tanach which, by the way, was the gospel of Jesus.
6) - I would say, because all blessings from HaShem are conditional. Hence, salvation could be removed from our agenda.
Do you obey Jesus 100%?
Sorry Ben but, I don't wish to go around and around with you. We
are both coming from two different perspectives and never the
twain shall meet.