Chance or Design (Evolution or Creation)

[Guyver]

Guyver... You have demonstrated you are the typical person who claims the Bible has errors. When pressed to provide an example, the best they can do is attempt to argue theology while ignoring context.

And you along with your like minded friends have demonstrated that you do not value truth. Honesty is a big part of the truth. You all will not even admit to a fact when it is clearly printed.

You’d prefer to attempt to explain a fact away by claiming religious interpretation and context.

So, that means your religion works for you (maybe) but it is certainly not going to work for everyone. Some people prefer the freedom of accepting the facts, whatever they may be... and placing a value upon the truth.

 

[Guyver]

At this point I’d like to interject the natural human phenomenon of cognitive bias. And specifically, confirmation bias. Confirmation bias is studied by science, understood to be real, and guarded against by the scientific method.

Now, in this thread the religious people demonstrate clear confirmation bias. So, that’s a fact as I understand things. But, “I” don’t really matter....in my mind what matters is the truth.

A person who has confirmation bias has a repeating tendency to observe or interpret things based upon what they already expect to see. In that case, they don’t really interpret the truth properly, they distort it to their own opinions.

 

[Right Divider]

Thanks for the advice, but, really now, The Barbarian, how could I incite you, even if I wanted to? You've got me on "Ignore", remember?

The irony of a troll telling people not in incite the trolls is well beyond the trolls ability to understand. But it's funny for the rest of us.

 

[6days]

You’d prefer to attempt to explain a fact away by claiming religious interpretation and context

As i suggested before...its a bit rich that people who reject God's Word (and, for the most part have never studied it) can be so adamant that their theological understanding is correct.

The pattern is always the same... Someone claims the Bible is full of contradictions. When pressed for an example, they start arguing for an interpretation that suits them, and ignoring the context of other scripture, or the purpose of the passage. What their contradiction claim amounts to is an excuse to reject Scripture.

That desire to reject scripture, is the same reason so many reject the science that supports scripture. Back to where we started..... Genetic load is totally consistent with the biblical account of a perfect creation that has been subjected to several thousand years of corruption. Genetic load is totally inconsistent with the common ancestry belief system, and that is why secularists call it a paradox.

 

[Guyver]

You have not proven that the Bible is Gods word. You have assumed it, like you assume the existence of the perfect genome and that a decay rate can be calculated from something that does not exist and may not ever have existed.

Why don’t you begin by proving that the Bible is in fact the Word of God? That is....the MAKER of all of us.

 

[Right Divider]

As i suggested before...its a bit rich that people who reject God's Word (and, for the most part have never studied it) can be so adamant that their theological understanding is correct.

:thumb:

Indeed, they reject God's Word and then claim to tell us about God.

Where do they get their "information"?.... Not from God... that's for sure.

 

[Guyver]

:thumb:

Indeed, they reject God's Word and then claim to tell us about God.

Where do they get their "information"?.... Not from God... that's for sure.

No...it’s not “Gods Word” we reject. We would gladly accept Gods Word if it could be shown to be his word. Who wouldn’t want to hear from God?!

That would be amazing and completely revolutionary! To actually hear from the one who made us?! Oh yeah....that would be great.

But, you’re trying to say that the Bible is Gods Word because you assume it to be.

And, what’s really weird about that is how ridiculously bloody and off the Old Testament is. You don’t see it, but it’s literally pagan. The entire thing. The sacrifice of goats, the notion of appeasing an “angry God” with blood sacrifice was practiced before the Bible was ever written. These are all things pagan nations practiced. The Old Testament tells you how to properly kill and rape people. It allows women to be property and men to have as many wives as they can afford.

It says that the God who made us became angry with us and wished to kill us all.

It’s dumb.

If God wanted to kill us, we’d all be dead already and would have never existed because God can obviously erase time.

 

[6days]

And, what’s really weird about that is how ridiculously bloody and off the Old Testament is.

Again....someone who has no understanding of scripture, is tring to tell others how to interpret it.

Jesus often referred to Old Testament Scripture quoting from it as the ultimate source of truth. He criticized those who misused it, or contradicted it.

It isn't a hard decision...I will trust Jesus.

 

[ok doser]

Again....someone who has no understanding of scripture, is tring to tell others how to interpret it.

Jesus often referred to Old Testament Scripture quoting from it as the ultimate source of truth. He criticized those who misused it, or contradicted it.

It isn't a hard decision...I will trust Jesus.

I'm getting a distinct vibe from guyver - not aspie, not retarded, but definitely mental/psychological issues

Anybody else notice this?

 

[Guyver]

Again....someone who has no understanding of scripture, is tring to tell others how to interpret it.

Jesus often referred to Old Testament Scripture quoting from it as the ultimate source of truth. He criticized those who misused it, or contradicted it.

It isn't a hard decision...I will trust Jesus.

I don’t understand how you can try to pull that “I don’t understand scripture” piece.

What’s so hard about reading?

The Bible informs me the proper way to beat my slaves. It says that I may beat them if I am displeased, but I may not cause permanent injury or kill them.

Do you believe it is righteous to properly beat your slaves?

 

[6days]

I'm getting a distinct vibe from guyver - not aspie, not retarded, but definitely mental issues

Anybody else notice this?

Naaaa...I just think he has been listening too much to the voice asking "hath God said?" (Gen. 3:1)

 

[ok doser]

He reminds me of a couple others we've had here over the years - names escape me at the moment

 

[Guyver]

Naaaa...I just think he has been listening too much to the voice asking "hath God said?" (Gen. 3:1)

If you have to make me the devil to win, you lose. I guess that’s all I have to say.

 

[7djengo7]

If you have to make me the devil to win, you lose. I guess that’s all I have to say.

Hehehe. Since you had to put me on "Ignore", you lose. I'm never at a loss for words. Trenchant ones, at that.

How is [MENTION=15431]6days[/MENTION] "making you the devil", when, clearly, he said you've been "listening too much to" the devil????????? That's right: He's NOT!

 

[7djengo7]

He reminds me of a couple others we've had here over the years - names escape me at the moment

Tweedle-something-or-other?

 

[7djengo7]

The irony of a troll telling people not in incite the trolls is well beyond the trolls ability to understand. But it's funny for the rest of us.

Ever since my XBOX 360 went on the fritz, I've had to get my fix for battling trolls in forums, since I can no longer fight them in Skyrim. And, you know, the only real difference between Skyrim trolls and forum trolls seems to be that the ones in Skyrim have three eyes. In terms of programmed predictability, though, the trolls of Skyrim have got nothing on The Barbarian.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Ever since my XBOX 360 went on the fritz, I've had to get my fix for battling trolls in forums, since I can no longer fight them in Skyrim. And, you know, the only real difference between Skyrim trolls and forum trolls seems to be that the ones in Skyrim have three eyes. In terms of programmed predictability, though, the trolls of Skyrim have got nothing on The Barbarian.

Too bad you can't "FUS RO DAH" internet trolls...

:think:

Wait a minute... I probably could, since I'm a mod....

:rotfl:

Totally gonna use that net time I :nuke: someone...

 

[JudgeRightly]

Ever since my XBOX 360 went on the fritz, I've had to get my fix for battling trolls in forums, since I can no longer fight them in Skyrim. And, you know, the only real difference between Skyrim trolls and forum trolls seems to be that the ones in Skyrim have three eyes. In terms of programmed predictability, though, the trolls of Skyrim have got nothing on The Barbarian.

Too bad you can't "FUS RO DAH" internet trolls...

:think:

Wait a minute... I probably could, since I'm a mod....

:rotfl:

Totally gonna use that net time I :nuke: someone...

There's an "arrow in the knee" joke in there somewhere, I just know it!

:think:

 

[7djengo7]

Too bad you can't "FUS RO DAH" internet trolls...

:think:

Wait a minute... I probably could, since I'm a mod....

:rotfl:

Totally gonna use that net time I :nuke: someone...

Hehehehe!

Except for one thing: in our TOL context, it's not the Christians who are the dragon-born.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Hehehehe!

Except for one thing: in our TOL context, it's not the Christians who are the dragon-born.

Lol, very astute!