ECT Can it be said that JTB prepared the way of Jesus and . . .

Danoh

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Arguing over who "specifically" were His own is immaterial and non productive. We already know it was, with exception, the religious Jews. Leave it alone. The OP has to with Jesus preparing a way for Paul because Jesus could not accomplish what only someone like Paul could do in a required manner in which had to be done.

Wanna argue that or no? Which point?

I was not arguing. I laid those passages out for the principle they point to. I was hoping you would see their principle.

That you might then look at things through said principle.

But you and those who continually fail to see this do, because you are used to being spoonfed what it was another was actually talking about.

Thus, your kind are only able to come up with your own ideas as to what someone and or the passages meant.

Your kind ever want the fish.

"Give a man a fish; feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish; feed him for a lifetime."

But you and your kind are determined to ever have your hand out; when you're not guessing at a thing, or parroting some one else's labor.

You know it all; alright :chuckle:
 

Cross Reference

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I was not arguing. I laid those passages out for the principle they point to. I was hoping you would see their principle.

That you might then look at things through said principle.

What principle that you can possibly eleborate on??

But you and those who continually fail to see this do, because you are used to being spoonfed what it was another was actually talking about.

Thus, your kind are only able to come up with your own ideas as to what someone and or the passages meant.

Your kind ever want the fish.

"Give a man a fish; feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish; feed him for a lifetime."

But you and your kind are determined to ever have your hand out; when you're not guessing at a thing, or parroting some one else's labor.

You know it all; alright :chuckle:

Bull!! More nonsense from you. I gave reasoning from scripture you choose to ignore. That's your privilege but, does it ever end?
 

Danoh

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Ten to one that - some - others would easily see the principle I was pointing out those passages point to.
 

Tambora

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Who were His own?

John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

In all that - the sense of verse 12 is ALSO "but as many" - of His own[/B-] - "as received Him."

In other words, His Own people - Israel...

Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

This is why so and so is wrong about who Matthew 4:16 is actually referring to.

The phrase "the people" is often a reference to Israel, kind of like saying "the Israelite community."

Matthew 4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee; 4:13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:

Zebulon and Nephthalim being two of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, thus, why the next passage...

4:14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, 4:15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

You don't walk up to a Gentile back then and say "Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Rather, you say that to "the people" that had been prophesied to.

John 1:19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 1:20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.

John 1:25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?

That same phrase - "the people" - tells one something about the so called "Great Commission" that far too many erroneously continue to assert the Body of Christ is supposed to be following...

Look at what Peter related to Cornelius about who he - Peter and the other eleven Apostles were sent to...

Acts 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

In other words, He came unto His Own people FIRST that THEY might FIRST be turned back unto the God of THEIR fathers, which was what this passage that follows was referring to...

Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

It had been "His people" that that had been prophesied TO."

Luke 7:20 When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? 7:21 And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight. 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached. 7:23 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me. 7:24 And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind? 7:25 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings' courts. 7:26 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet. 7:27 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
I'm so glad you're here!
Great post!
 

Lon

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sorry you didn't have time to list one or two of the many conflicts
-I would settle for why you think it is terrible speculation

Lots of reasons but off the top, that this was a risen and glorified Christ he saw. John was beheaded before seeing all that Christ did, as this John says he witnessed, etc. etc.
 

Cross Reference

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Lots of reasons but off the top, that this was a risen and glorified Christ he saw. John was beheaded before seeing all that Christ did, as this John says he witnessed, etc. etc.

Great observation! Good insight, missed by most. A keeper.
 
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