Can a Christian be a drunkard

[GregoryN]

Three questions:

(1) Can a Christian be a drunkard:

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor.6:9-11)

(2) Can a drunkard who professes Christ but confesses his sins be saved:

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9)

(3) Can a drunkard who professes Christ but confesses his sins be saved at the same time he is drunk?

 

[glorydaz]

Three questions:

(1) Can a Christian be a drunkard:

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor.6:9-11)

(2) Can a drunkard who professes Christ but confesses his sins be saved:

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9)

(3) Can a drunkard who professes Christ but confesses his sins be saved at the same time he is drunk?

In other words, did Christ forgive all your sins or not?

 

[MennoSota]

Three questions:

(1) Can a Christian be a drunkard:

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor.6:9-11)

(2) Can a drunkard who professes Christ but confesses his sins be saved:

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9)

(3) Can a drunkard who professes Christ but confesses his sins be saved at the same time he is drunk?

Why do you care? You believe all humans are saved. Do you even care what profession a person makes? As soon as they die, they will go to heaven, in your theory, so why shouldn't all humans be full blown narcissists?
It's funny when you ask these questions, Greg.

 

[GregoryN]

Why do you care? You believe all humans are saved. Do you even care what profession a person makes? As soon as they die, they will go to heaven, in your theory, so why shouldn't all humans be full blown narcissists?
It's funny when you ask these questions, Greg.

Incorrect. Actually i believe in "hell" as stated multiple times in the following , including in posts there to you:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?130333-The-Restitution-Of-All-Things-AKA-Universalism

 

[MennoSota]

Incorrect. Actually i believe in "hell" as stated multiple times in the following , including in posts there to you:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?130333-The-Restitution-Of-All-Things-AKA-Universalism

Sure you do. But you say people will only be there until they choose to repent...which will mean they are there for one millisecond before repenting.
Therefore "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die"...and repent a millisecond later. Whoop!

 

[Jacob]

Three questions:

(1) Can a Christian be a drunkard:

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor.6:9-11)

(2) Can a drunkard who professes Christ but confesses his sins be saved:

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9)

(3) Can a drunkard who professes Christ but confesses his sins be saved at the same time he is drunk?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 11 is likely your answer.

 

[GregoryN]

Sure you do. But you say people will only be there until they choose to repent...which will mean they are there for one millisecond before repenting.
Therefore "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die"...and repent a millisecond later. Whoop!

I've never said "which will mean they are there for one millisecond before repenting" & consider that statement to be obviously false.

 

[MennoSota]

I've never said "which will mean they are there for one millisecond before repenting" & consider that statement to be obviously false.

Indeed, you have this imaginary thought that people will, by their free-will, choose to go through hell for awhile before they repent. Such foolish thinking is laughable. If your theory were remotely true, those folk would indeed repent in a millisecond.
It amazes me that you hold to such a foolish theory.

 

[Truster]

Drunkenness is caused by addiction to alcohol. The root meaning of addiction is adjudged. A man is judged guilty, but if and when his sin is forgiven the judgement is lifted. My judgement was lifted on July 17th 1999 at 10:30 am after 30 years of slavery.

 

[Bright Raven]

Drunkenness is caused by addiction to alcohol. The root meaning of addiction is adjudged. A man is judged guilty, but if and when his sin is forgiven the judgement is lifted. My judgement was lifted on July 17th 1999 at 10:30 am after 30 years of slavery.

:thumb:

 

[GregoryN]

Indeed, you have this imaginary thought that people will, by their free-will, choose to go through hell for awhile before they repent. Such foolish thinking is laughable. If your theory were remotely true, those folk would indeed repent in a millisecond.
It amazes me that you hold to such a foolish theory.

Is that what your Calvinism teaches, that all it takes for people to repent is a hell-like experience & they will repent in a milli-second, with or without the irresistible grace of God working in them? Why, then, didn't Satan repent when he was in the presence of God as the book of Job says? You contradict your own theology.

 

[MennoSota]

Is that what your Calvinism teaches, that all it takes for people to repent is a hell-like experience & they will repent in a milli-second, with or without the irresistible grace of God working in them? Why, then, didn't Satan repent when he was in the presence of God as the book of Job says? You contradict your own theology.

No. That's what happens if a person, given free-will after death, goes to hell. They choose repentance in a millisecond.
Note the rich man begging to have someone sent back to warn his family. Also note that the rich man did not have free will. If he had it, he would have been gone in a millisecond.
Greg, your theory is entirely hocum, created from the fantasy between your ears.

 

[GregoryN]

No. That's what happens if a person, given free-will after death, goes to hell. They choose repentance in a millisecond.
Note the rich man begging to have someone sent back to warn his family. Also note that the rich man did not have free will. If he had it, he would have been gone in a millisecond.
Greg, your theory is entirely hocum, created from the fantasy between your ears.

Answered here:

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...Universalism&p=5291604&viewfull=1#post5291604

 

[Truster]

Drunkenness is caused by addiction to alcohol. The root meaning of addiction is adjudged. A man is judged guilty, but if and when his sin is forgiven the judgement is lifted. My judgement was lifted on July 17th 1999 at 10:30 am after 30 years of slavery.

Apart from the fact that drunkenness is an addiction and therefore a judgement. A person seeks mental oblivion in alcohol to deal with the memory of past acts and the guilt contained in the memories. Once justification has been granted and applied to the guilty sinner there is nothing to hide from and so the need for alcoholic oblivion has been removed.

The question, therefore, is not can a Christian be a drunkard, but does a redeemed and regenerate, repentant sinner need alcoholic stimulation or obliviation? The answer is NO he doesn't.

 

[nikolai_42]

Three questions:

(1) Can a Christian be a drunkard:

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor.6:9-11)

No.

(2) Can a drunkard who professes Christ but confesses his sins be saved:

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9)

Is it possible? Yes. But what is involved in confession? Without evidence of repentance, no true confession has taken place - and so no rebirth is had. Otherwise, pretty much everyone in AA is saved, since the first step is admitting that you have a problem.

(3) Can a drunkard who professes Christ but confesses his sins be saved at the same time he is drunk?

I personally know someone who was saved while he was drunk, crawling up the stairs to his room. The Lord instantly sobered him up and then he turned from it and to Christ - never to return to alcohol (as far as I am aware). Not only did his drinking instantly stop, but he stopped abusing his wife and his mouth was cleaned up as well. There was no doubt with him.