Calvinism and the word "WORLD"

[Truster]

Where did you get that idea? Please show me the scripture.

The word "world" in the Bible means humanity. Such as, "God so loved the world" John 3:16.

The term "world" in John 3:16 means all the other nations as well as Israel. Before Calvary, only the Hebrew nation was favoured, but that was about to change. The "whomsoever " must, therefore, be understood as whosoever from all the nations of the world and not just the nation of Israel.
Messiah was talking to a Pharisee who, along with all his countrymen, were expecting the Messiah to save their nation and their nation alone.

"And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him".

"WAITING FOR THE CONSOLATION OF ISRAEL." Not the consolation of the world.

The evangelism has the power to save men out of all nations, but it does not save all men from all nations.

 

[Robert Pate]

The term "world" in John 3:16 means all the other nations as well as Israel. Before Calvary, only the Hebrew nation was favoured, but that was about to change. The "whomsoever " must, therefore, be understood as whosoever from all the nations of the world and not just the nation of Israel.
Messiah was talking to a Pharisee who, along with all his countrymen, were expecting the Messiah to save their nation and their nation alone.

"And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him".

"WAITING FOR THE CONSOLATION OF ISRAEL." Not the consolation of the world.

The evangelism has the power to save men out of all nations, but it does not save all men from all nations.

Salvation has ALREADY been provided for everyone by the doing and the dying of Jesus, Hebrews 2:9.

The call now is to accept the salvation that has been provided and be reconciled unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

 

[Truster]

Salvation has ALREADY been provided for everyone by the doing and the dying of Jesus, Hebrews 2:9.

The call now is to accept the salvation that has been provided and be reconciled unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

You've just ducked the issue yet again.

 

[Robert Pate]

You've just ducked the issue yet again.

What issue?

Are you denying that Jesus is the savior of the whole world? 1 John 2:2.

 

[Truster]

What issue?

Are you denying that Jesus is the savior of the whole world? 1 John 2:2.

I'm denying that you understand the message being delivered is not only to Israel, but to all the other nations of the world.

 

[Robert Pate]

I'm denying that you understand the message being delivered is not only to Israel, but to all the other nations of the world.

On the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit and the Gospel came into the world the scripture says...

"And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven" Acts 2:5.

They all heard Peter's Gospel. I don't have a problem with that.

 

[Truster]

On the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit and the Gospel came into the world the scripture says...

"And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven" Acts 2:5.

They all heard Peter's Gospel. I don't have a problem with that.

That is what Messiah was prophesying to Nicodemus. That Elohim so loved all the nations of the world. Not all were saved on that day.

 

[Robert Pate]

The term "world" in John 3:16 means all the other nations as well as Israel. Before Calvary, only the Hebrew nation was favoured, but that was about to change. The "whomsoever " must, therefore, be understood as whosoever from all the nations of the world and not just the nation of Israel.
Messiah was talking to a Pharisee who, along with all his countrymen, were expecting the Messiah to save their nation and their nation alone.

"And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him".

"WAITING FOR THE CONSOLATION OF ISRAEL." Not the consolation of the world.

The evangelism has the power to save men out of all nations, but it does not save all men from all nations.

The word "Whosoever" is subjective. It means all, anyone, everyone that believes in Jesus will be saved. Just like it says in John 3:16.

 

[Truster]

The word "Whosoever" is subjective. It means all, anyone, everyone that believes in Jesus will be saved. Just like it says in John 3:16.

It means whosoever out of the nations and not just the children of Israel out of the nations.

 

[Robert Pate]

It means whosoever out of the nations and not just the children of Israel out of the nations.

Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. Not just "some certain persons" according to the Canons of Dort, First Head, Article #7.

 

[Truster]

Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. Not just "some certain persons" according to the Canons of Dort, First Head, Article #7.

Your false doctrine leaves the Almighty subject to the choice of mankind. You don't mind man being in control, but you absolutely hate the idea that the Almighty is controlling anything.

 

[Robert Pate]

Your false doctrine leaves the Almighty subject to the choice of mankind. You don't mind man being in control, but you absolutely hate the idea that the Almighty is controlling anything.

God is kind, loving and gracious. He doesn't want anyone in heaven that does not want to be there. God is not going to make you believe on his Son Jesus Christ. This is why he said, "Whosoever that believes in him shall not perish" John 3:16. If you don't believe in him you would not like to be with him in heaven anyway.

 

[Truster]

God is kind, loving and gracious. He doesn't want anyone in heaven that does not want to be there. God is not going to make you believe on his Son Jesus Christ. This is why he said, "Whosoever that believes in him shall not perish" John 3:16. If you don't believe in him you would not like to be with him in heaven anyway.

When Adam sinned he didn't run to the Almighty. Adam hid and all of Adams children still hide.

 

[Robert Pate]

When Adam sinned he didn't run to the Almighty. Adam hid and all of Adams children still hide.

Not the saved ones that believe in him and have trusted in him to save them.

 

[Truster]

Not the saved ones that believe in him and have trusted in him to save them.

Are you saying that Adam didn't trust that Elohim Yah Veh could save him.

 

[Robert Pate]

Are you saying that Adam didn't trust that Elohim Yah Veh could save him.

There is no indication in the Bible that Adam repented.

 

[Truster]

There is no indication in the Bible that Adam repented.

So you have no idea about the symbolism of the clothing made for Adam and Eve? You can't understand the necessity of bringing the firstlings of the flock that Adam passed on to Cain and Abel?

 

[Robert Pate]

So you have no idea about the symbolism of the clothing made for Adam and Eve? You can't understand the necessity of bringing the firstlings of the flock that Adam passed on to Cain and Abel?

Where does it say that Adam passed on to Cain and Abel the firstlings of his flock?

 

[Truster]

Where does it say that Adam passed on to Cain and Abel the firstlings of his flock?

It's not for you.

 

[Robert Pate]

It's not for you.

It doesn't say that. You made it up.