By Nature Children of Wrath as others !

beloved57

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Eph 2:3

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Now the Elect in their own persons by nature did incur wrath and the curse, as others, however thats the very thing that fell on Christ for them, which necessitated His Suretyship Heb 2:17, because the very wrath and curse they themselves incurred was true and actual.

Even though their sin actually bring about Gods wrath and curse for them, they were prevented by their transference unto Christ and His Suretyship, hence instead of them, He must drink of their due wrath and curse of the law in their behalf, for so we read 2 Cor 5:21;Gal 3:13;Heb 2:9-10 ! So therefore, though naturally, as others, they were being children of wrath, they because of Christs Suretyship, were never under Gods deserved Wrath and Curse ! If they were, that made Christs Suretyship null and void !
 

Nanja

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Eph 2:3

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Now the Elect in their own persons by nature did incur wrath and the curse, as others, however thats the very thing that fell on Christ for them, which necessitated His Suretyship Heb 2:17, because the very wrath and curse they themselves incurred was true and actual.

Even though their sin actually bring about Gods wrath and curse for them, they were prevented by their transference unto Christ and His Suretyship, hence instead of them, He must drink of their due wrath and curse of the law in their behalf, for so we read 2 Cor 5:21;Gal 3:13;Heb 2:9-10 ! So therefore, though naturally, as others, they were being children of wrath, they because of Christs Suretyship, were never under Gods deserved Wrath and Curse ! If they were, that made Christs Suretyship null and void !

Exactly Brother ! All the sins and ungodly living in the flesh that the Elect shall incur in their lifetime, along with the curse / wrath associated with them Eph. 2:3, have all been imputed to Christ their Surety Heb. 7:22; 2:17, meaning they can never come under the curse of the Law, nor any threat of punishment for them; only His Mercy. Their Verdict: Totally Acquitted !
 

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Now the Elect in their own persons by nature did incur wrath and the curse, as others, however thats the very thing that fell on Christ for them, which necessitated His Suretyship Heb 2:17, because the very wrath and curse they themselves incurred was true and actual.
There is NOT a "singular elect" in scripture. There are various elections.
Isa 42:1-3 KJV Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. (2) He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. (3) A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
One of God's elect is the LORD Jesus Christ.
 

beloved57

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This is from a Gospel writer name Brandon:

 

Nanja

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This is from a Gospel writer name Brandon:

TY Brother, Brandan is exactly correct !
 

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This is from a Gospel writer name Brandon:

TULIP nonsense.
 

beloved57

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I believe the gospel completely. TULIP is NOT a "gospel" of any kind.
Not if you dont believe the Truths of Tulip ! As I have testified here for years, Tulip is the Gospel of the Grace of God Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
 

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Not if you dont believe the Truths of Tulip ! As I have testified here for years, Tulip is the Gospel of the Grace of God Acts 20:24
No, it's not.
24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
That has NOTHING to do with your bogus man-made doctrines.
 

Nanja

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Not if you dont believe the Truths of Tulip ! As I have testified here for years, Tulip is the Gospel of the Grace of God Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
You are absolutely correct Brother !

God's Grace originates in Him and His Eternal Purpose in Jesus Christ:

2 Tim. 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Grace was given to God's Elect before the world began:

Not offered or made available to any others, but given to a Specific People Titus 1:1-2 and is unalterable.
 

DAN P

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Not if you dont believe the Truths of Tulip ! As I have testified here for years, Tulip is the Gospel of the Grace of God Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
So , what kind of LAPSARIAN are you ?

A Supralapsarian ?

Or a INFRALAPSARIAN ?

Or a SULAPSARIAN ?

So expalin Acts 20:24 and its meaning ??

dan p
 
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