Boy Scouts execs vote to allow homo scout leaders

[Granite]

Again, another leap, on your part, to a negative judgment of me that is not at all close to anything which I espouse.

Then explain why you'd be worried about openly gay Scout leaders. And check into the fella who founded the Scouts, while you're at it...:AMR:

 

[TracerBullet]

Wow, July is just not the month for you folks, is it? :chuckle:

its a bad summer for hate

 

[musterion]

After this move is approved, when the first story of a scout leader raping a boy surfaces, I predict the response from Traci and Grannie will be "Doesn't count: he isn't homosexual, he's just a pedophile."

 

[Granite]

After this move is approved, when the first story of a scout leader raping a boy surfaces, I predict the response from Traci and Grannie will be "Doesn't count: he isn't homosexual, he's just a pedophile."

Not my problem if ignoramuses like you don't see the difference.

 

[bybee]

Then explain why you'd be worried about openly gay Scout leaders. And check into the fella who founded the Scouts, while you're at it...:AMR:

Did I say I was worried? No, I did not!
I made a rather neutral comment leading to a wait and see attitude.

I find you, a generally liberally opinionated person, to be one of the most condemnatory persons who regularly post on TOL.
The slightest difference in approach sends up veritable tidal waves of outrage and angst from your very liberal person.
Very odd.

 

[Quetzal]

You guys consistently equate "adults who want to have sex with adults" to "adults who must also want to have sex with kids" because you literally can't or won't imagine any differences in sexual behavior you consider "deviant" or "sinful." To you, it's all the same. To everyone else, this attitude of yours is simply insane and ignorant.

They wouldn't have an argument otherwise outside of "I don't like it because of reasons." if they didn't draw that inaccurate comparison. When they want to get their way, they claim the action in question is victimizing the most vulnerable (children). This seems to happen in almost every moral argument they make.

 

[Quetzal]

Did I say I was worried? No, I did not!
I made a rather neutral comment leading to a wait and see attitude.

I find you, a generally liberally opinionated person, to be one of the most condemnatory persons who regularly post on TOL.
The slightest difference in approach sends up veritable tidal waves of outrage and angst from your very liberal person.
Very odd.

You only feel this way because the other condemning persons (Stripe, aCW, GFR, A4T, etc) don't condemn you nearly as often as they might condemn Granite or myself.

 

[Granite]

I made a rather neutral comment leading to a wait and see attitude.

Fine: Waiting for what, exactly?

I find you, a generally liberally opinionated person, to be one of the most condemnatory persons who regularly post on TOL.

:e4e: Anything I can do.:chuckle:

 

[bybee]

Fine: Waiting for what, exactly?



:e4e: Anything I can do.:chuckle:

You must be a barrel of laughs at a party....:noid:

 

[Nazaroo]

Judith Reisman? :chuckle:

Reisman's biggest claims to fame are he accusations of Alfred Kinsey and her "research"into why men become addicted to porn.

She accused Kinsey of sexually molesting her daughter (even though they never met) and accused him of employing pedophiles and prostitutes to molest children for his research and the amusement of his staff.
When Kinsey biographer dismissed her claims as "groundless" she immediately field suit against him and the Kinsey Institute and Indiana University for defamation of character and for their covert attempts to censor copies of her book.
She got tossed out of court.

Who cares?

Kinsey was obviously a pedophile enabler who was himself very disturbed.
He admitted altering his research data.
When confronted about not reporting the abuse of confessed pedophiles,
he sidestepped with a song and dance.

And she has a PhD. do you?

She has also claimed that pornography pictures are altered to include subliminal messages that trick the brain into releasing addictive and brain damaging "erototoxins"

Its well known that every pro outfit today uses subliminals to enhance sales
and form addictive "feel good" vibes.

How much documentation do you need in the 21st century
on advertizing techniques?

wow you are a class a-clown.
oops I mean class-a clown.

What subliminal message do you see in this pic?

 

[Nazaroo]

You only feel this way because the other condemning persons (Stripe, aCW, GFR, A4T, etc) don't condemn you nearly as often as they might condemn Granite or myself.

bwaa ha ha ha.

Here's a hanky - wipe that snot running from your crybaby nose.

I notice that Granite disagrees with you.

He didn't deny his opinionated attacking, he openly admits it and revels in it.

Clearly you are not his sock-puppet. You're too much of a whiney-baby.

Take a manly lesson from Granite and suck it up like the big boys do.

 

[Quetzal]

bwaa ha ha ha.

Here's a hanky - wipe that snot running from your crybaby nose.

I notice that Granite disagrees with you.

He didn't deny his opinionated attacking, he openly admits it and revels in it.

Clearly you are not his sock-puppet. You're too much of a whiney-baby.

Take a manly lesson from Granite and suck it up like the big boys do.

:chuckle:

 

[Granite]

That was actually funny. There may be hope for old Naz yet.:chuckle:

 

[bybee]

You only feel this way because the other condemning persons (Stripe, aCW, GFR, A4T, etc) don't condemn you nearly as often as they might condemn Granite or myself.

I would prefer to be the person who says how I feel. I don't believe I am condemning Granite. He is one of my favorite "rebutters" (if there is such a word)

 

[republicanchick]

if i had a young child i would NOT put him in boy scouts


even if the leader were straight


(assuming this becomes official policy)

 

[TracerBullet]

Who cares?

Why don't you care?

Kinsey was obviously a pedophile enabler who was himself very disturbed.

Based on the rantings and false claims of Reisman.

He admitted altering his research data.
When confronted about not reporting the abuse of confessed pedophiles,
he sidestepped with a song and dance.

And she has a PhD. do you?

She has a PhD in communication

Its well known that every pro outfit today uses subliminals to enhance sales
and form addictive "feel good" vibes.

To produce dangerous and addictive "erototoxins" Even though there is zero evidence that such a thing exists.

 

[resodko]

We've had homosexual leaders at various times and in various positions here in NZ. No problem.

:think:

New Zealand
A number of sex abuse cases have occurred in the scouting movement in New Zealand.

In 1996 Donald John MacFarlane was convicted and fined $15,000 for indecently assaulting two boys. He was a scout leader for one of the boys. The abuse happened in Southland between January 1972 and December 1974.[25]

In 1999 David John White, a scout leader in the Porirua suburb of Whitby, pleaded guilty to eight charges of indecently assaulting scouts at his home between 1984 and 1998. Two other scout leaders, Thomas Donahue and Neville Palmer from Whitby, were also prosecuted for indecent assault.[26]

Two Auckland scout leaders, Andrew John Pybus and Nigel Richard Fenemor, were jailed in 2005 for seven years for sexually assaulting two boys under the age of 16.[27]

In 2006 Ken Matheson was found guilty of two cases of sexual assault of a scout between November 1989 and November 1993. Seven allegations were initially made against him.[28]

 

[kiwimacahau]

4 cases between 1996-2006? Oh, deary me. I could probably find that many cases of tap and die manufacturers doing the same over a 10 year period. Do you know, btw, the difference between a homosexual and a paedophile?

 

[resodko]

4 cases between 1996-2006?

they don't teach you how to count very well down under do they?

prolly too busy molesting you in your maths classes :idunno:



and i suspect that the boys who were abused didn't consider it to be "no problem"

Oh, deary me. I could probably find that many cases of tap and die manufacturers doing the same over a 10 year period.

abusing Boy Scouts while serving as adult leaders in Scouting?

or do your tap and die makers in New Zealand regularly meet with and work with underage young men?

Do you know, btw, the difference between a homosexual and a paedophile?

one's a pervert who modern pervert lovers like you just can't get enough of and the other's a pervert who will have to wait a couple more generations for social values to degrade enough for their perversion to become acceptable by pervert lovers like you?

 

[musterion]

A homosexual, or sympathizer to homosexuals, won't have a problem with scout leaders abusing boys. Hence, "no problem" even when it occurs.