Biden puts a bust of Chavez in prominent position

ok doser

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Does this mean that Biden will continue Trump's border policies?

Not likely. I think that he is simply playing on the ignorance of leftists.

Biden's not the sharpest tool in the shed. He may not realize the implications of Chavez's feelings about illegal immigration.
 

ffreeloader

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Does this mean that Biden will continue Trump's border policies?

Not likely. I think that he is simply playing on the ignorance of leftists.

That's Biden's public nod to Chavez for having the software to steal elections created. He's so proud of all that fraud he had to say something publicly where his useful idiots could see it but not understand it. He is so arrogant he thinks he has gotten completely away with it. I don't think he has.
 

ffreeloader

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It doesn't matter which Chavez it is. They are both socialists. And it's also notable that one treasonous president puts the painting of another treasonous president in the oval office. Roosevelt made sure the Pearl Harbor attack succeeded, and gave the USSR the plans for the A-bomb.
 

ffreeloader

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Sure it does. Your post #3 is factually wrong. It's OK to admit an error.
LOL. My post was a form of an admission of error. But Cesar is just as bad as Hugo. They were both out to destroy the US. All socialist activists are.

I worked around illegal aliens for years. Everyone says how badly they are treated by farmers. That's just not true. I knew of a bunch of illegal alien families that made very good money working the harvests. They drove expensive brand new vehicles and made $300-$400 dollars a day 6 days a week. And they said they made more money in Kalifornia than in the northwest. And before you knock that amount, this took place in the 1970s and early 80s. That was pretty good money back then. A full bag of groceries was only $20. And in that area a 2 bedroom home with a full unfinished basement could be purchased for $5000 at that time. They were making that in less than 3 months time. They could have bought a home and lived pretty decently but they preferred to live the nomadic life. They made too much money working the harvests in the northwest and Kalifornia to settle down in one spot.

So, as far as I'm concerned, from what I know from working with illegal aliens they were not abused. And many of them worked for the same farmers for years. I worked for a farmer all through high school and a year or so after I graduated. Left to work other jobs outside the area for several years, and when I came back the same people were still working for the same farmers. So those wetbacks, which is what the local Mexicans who were US citizens called them, had stable jobs for more than a decade making good money the entire time. They were no where close to being abused. It's how they chose to live.
 

annabenedetti

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And in that area a 2 bedroom home with a full unfinished basement could be purchased for $5000 at that time.

Where in California are there 2 bedroom houses with basements? Basements aren't a California thing.

And a 5K house? I bought my first house in the early 80s and it was in the 80K range and it was a major fixer-upper. My parents bought their first house in the late 50s and it was 18K. What's with the imaginary 5K house? Are you just pulling stories out of your hat?

Makes what you 'know' about farmworkers entirely suspect.
 

The Berean

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I am a child of immigrant farmers. My parents worked on a farm picking strawberries and apples in Northern California. We actually lived on the farm. I knew many legal and illegal immigrant farmers. Any idea idea that they lived the high life and bought expensive cars is simply not true. I saw first hand how hard and backbreaking picking fruit was. My very first job was picking strawberries at age 13 in 1982. I was paid $2.50/hr plus $0.50/box. The regular workers got $3.35/hr plus $0.50/box. For a short time early in the harvest the strawberries were huge and it took very few strawberries to fill a box. The fastest workers could pick up to about 120 boxes a day. So in a good week they could make $400-$450 a week. But these were the absolute fastest workers. Most of the workers picked far fewer boxes. But by mid summer the strawberries became smaller and the fast guys only picked about 25-30 boxes per day. Like I said this was difficult back breaking work. You were bent over all day, We worked six days a week, 8-10 hours a day, in 90-100 degree weather. The workers had no medical benefits. No retirement benefits. The money they made went to buy food, pay rent, buy clothes for their children, etc. It was a tough life for these migrant laborers especially for the one who worked this type of job for decades. The farm owners knew they had a never ending source of cheap labor. Most of the farm owners didn't care one wit about their workers. A few did like the man that my dad worked for. He was a Japanese-American who was interned during WW II. So he had some compassion for poor people and the tough life they lived.

This author of this essay is from my hometown. His personal story is literally my personal story from the mid 1980's.

 
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Hilltrot

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High life - no. But they can easily earn in the $30,000 to $50,000 range if not more right now. In addition, they get all that money, tax free, since they are illegal.

Finding housing in some parts of Kalifornia has always been expensive. Finding housing in other parts can be quite cheap. $5000 in the early 1970s is quite possible,
 

annabenedetti

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I am a child of immigrant farmers. My parents worked on a farm picking strawberries and apples in Northern California. We actually lived on the farm. I knew many legal and illegal immigrant farmers. Any idea idea that they lived the high life and bought expensive cars is simply not true. I saw first hand how hard and backbreaking picking fruit was. My very first job was picking strawberries at age 13 in 1982. I was paid $2.50/hr plus $0.50/box. The regular workers got $3.35/hr plus $0.50/box. For a short time early in the harvest the strawberries were huge and it took very few strawberries to fill a box. The fastest workers could pick up to about 120 boxes a day. So in a good week they could make $400-$450 a week. But these were the absolute fastest workers. Most of the workers picked far fewer boxes. But by mid summer the strawberries became smaller and the fast guys only picked about 25-30 boxes per day. Like I said this was difficult back breaking work. You were bent over all day, We worked six days a week, 8-10 hours a day, in 90-100 degree weather. The workers had no medical benefits. No retirement benefits. The money they made went to buy food, pay rent, buy clothes for their children, etc. It was a tough life for these migrant laborers especially for the one who worked this type of job for decades. The farm owners knew they had a never ending source of cheap labor. Most of the farm owners didn't care one wit about their workers. A few did like the man that my dad worked for. He was a Japanese-American who was interned during WW II. So he had some compassion for poor people and the tough life they lived.

This author of this essay is from my hometown. His personal story is literally my personal story from the mid 1980's.


Thank you for that post, and for that essay.
 

annabenedetti

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High life - no. But they can easily earn in the $30,000 to $50,000 range if not more right now. In addition, they get all that money, tax free, since they are illegal.

Finding housing in some parts of Kalifornia has always been expensive. Finding housing in other parts can be quite cheap. $5000 in the early 1970s is quite possible,

You don't know what you're talking about.
 

eider

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I am a child of immigrant farmers. My parents worked on a farm picking strawberries and apples in Northern California. We actually lived on the farm. I knew many legal and illegal immigrant farmers. Any idea idea that they lived the high life and bought expensive cars is simply not true. I saw first hand how hard and backbreaking picking fruit was. My very first job was picking strawberries at age 13 in 1982. I was paid $2.50/hr plus $0.50/box. The regular workers got $3.35/hr plus $0.50/box. For a short time early in the harvest the strawberries were huge and it took very few strawberries to fill a box. The fastest workers could pick up to about 120 boxes a day. So in a good week they could make $400-$450 a week. But these were the absolute fastest workers. Most of the workers picked far fewer boxes. But by mid summer the strawberries became smaller and the fast guys only picked about 25-30 boxes per day. Like I said this was difficult back breaking work. You were bent over all day, We worked six days a week, 8-10 hours a day, in 90-100 degree weather. The workers had no medical benefits. No retirement benefits. The money they made went to buy food, pay rent, buy clothes for their children, etc. It was a tough life for these migrant laborers especially for the one who worked this type of job for decades. The farm owners knew they had a never ending source of cheap labor. Most of the farm owners didn't care one wit about their workers. A few did like the man that my dad worked for. He was a Japanese-American who was interned during WW II. So he had some compassion for poor people and the tough life they lived.

This author of this essay is from my hometown. His personal story is literally my personal story from the mid 1980's.
Thank you so much for that info.
 

eider

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LOL. My post was a form of an admission of error. But Cesar is just as bad as Hugo. They were both out to destroy the US. All socialist activists are.

I worked around illegal aliens for years. Everyone says how badly they are treated by farmers. That's just not true. I knew of a bunch of illegal alien families that made very good money working the harvests. They drove expensive brand new vehicles and made $300-$400 dollars a day 6 days a week. And they said they made more money in Kalifornia than in the northwest. And before you knock that amount, this took place in the 1970s and early 80s. That was pretty good money back then. A full bag of groceries was only $20. And in that area a 2 bedroom home with a full unfinished basement could be purchased for $5000 at that time. They were making that in less than 3 months time. They could have bought a home and lived pretty decently but they preferred to live the nomadic life. They made too much money working the harvests in the northwest and Kalifornia to settle down in one spot.

So, as far as I'm concerned, from what I know from working with illegal aliens they were not abused. And many of them worked for the same farmers for years. I worked for a farmer all through high school and a year or so after I graduated. Left to work other jobs outside the area for several years, and when I came back the same people were still working for the same farmers. So those wetbacks, which is what the local Mexicans who were US citizens called them, had stable jobs for more than a decade making good money the entire time. They were no where close to being abused. It's how they chose to live.
So you were in clover by the sound of that, you were all earning about $2000 a week in the late 70's.
Wow!.... You've had it easy then.

So we won't be listening to any of your 'hard time' tales, eh?
 
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