BATTLE TALK ~ Battle Royale V - Paul DeYonghe vs. famousGandalf7

BATTLE TALK ~ Battle Royale V - Paul DeYonghe vs. famousGandalf7

  • Paul DeYonghe

    Votes: 35 89.7%
  • famousGandalf7

    Votes: 4 10.3%

  • Total voters
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Brother Vinny

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Originally posted by rapt
Paul is this where you met your first WoFaithers?

http://www.buyersmls.com/americantv/wacky/beverlyt.jpg

I believe they tithed big and it paid off, didn't it? I'm not sure if they had faith in their faith or faith that Jethro would make everything work out in the end.

LOL!

But, no, actually. I came to Jesus Christ under the shadow of the movement, and for a while went to Victory Christian Center in Tulsa. My search for truth continued, and when things about what I was beoing taught and what I'd read in the Bible didn't add up for me, I started looking for apologetic resources, both for and against the movement (there's a dearth of the former, and not too many to be had of the latter, too). I found Hanegraaf's book, and it is among the few that I can truly say changed my life.

Hank's book also lost me a few friends, including my mentor in the movement.
 
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Dee Dee Warren

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I have never whacked my pixel!

Ummm.. what does that mean?

C. Moore what is he talking about?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! And did I mention LOL??
 

textman

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The Prophet Passes a Prophecy!

The Prophet Passes a Prophecy!

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"Whoever receives a prophet because he is a prophet
shall receive a prophet's reward" (Matthew 10:41).
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> On 13oct rapt wrote: All the big heads give themselves a
> prophet's licence! They're stoned on their their own self-
> esteem, if not ganja too. The devil spews his temptation in
> the name of God, and snares the proud with the flattering
> lie that touts: "Get your free prophet's licence here! No
> experience necessary: just have faith in you faith". Gain
> immediate respect and honor of men with no more
> investment than to say "Im a prophet!"
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textman replies: Oh my! There are *SO* many things I disagree
with here. And what does "faith in you faith" mean? My faith
falls to the Father of Lights firstly, to the Anointed One
secondly, to the Universal and Spiritual WORD (ie. The Eternal
LOGOS) thirdly, and to the sacred scriptures *fourthly*. Now
that's what I call putting the Bible in it's rightful place! :kiss:
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As to gaining the respect and honor of people ... I should
think that these things are not so easily obtained as you make
out. How can anyone simply say "I'm a prophet!" and be accepted
and believed at once, when neither the churches nor the society
at large will even allow for the possible existence of such
creatures?! When I was first starting out on the Lord's
prophetic ministry I was met with disbelief, incredulity, and
scorn, and that's pretty much how it's remained ever since.
Thus those who seek honor and respect ought to choose
another line of work (eg. novel-writing). :thumb:
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Moreover, to say "I'm a prophet!" is never enough. One must
at least throw out a prophecy or two now and again. Of course,
the offensive one is deliberately very lax in that department;
since fortune-telling only forms a VERY small part of my
understanding of the prophetic gifts and ministries (but
that's another story). Yet even so, I have on occasion made
"prophecies" of sorts. I am not aware that any of these have
yet been shown to be false, thus revealing me as a false
prophet (ie. according to the Bronze Age rules and categories
(which most believers seem obstinately unable to outgrow) most
often used by Christians to identify these ever-present "false
prophets"; those "ravenous wolves" and "stealers of souls").
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So perhaps I ought now to produce a fresh new prophecy so as
to provide the many many Bronze Age minds out there with more
ammo with which to shoot down those nasty prophet wannabes?
Okay, fine then! ... ummm ... Just give me a minute now ...
urrrr ... Hey, fortune-telling prophets don't grow on trees,
you know! :p ... Argh! It's like passing a satan-damned kidney-
stone! ... ouff ... Well, I hope you're happy now. That was
very NOT fun! ... oy ... Anyway, here it is:
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There will come a time when all the rich and powerful ones,
along with the politicians and world-shakers, and even the
mighty powers-that-be, will be judged not by what they do to
change things, or what they accomplish by way of shaping the
present course of events, but rather by the intensity of their
concern for the future ... :shocked:
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So instead of asking how we should go about unmasking all
these false prophets that are lurking about the place, let us
ask instead a far more useful question: What does it mean to
be a prophet? Now this is what I call 'a good question'. And
the best answer to it that I know of comes straight from the
prophetic gospel:
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They brought the man who used to be blind to the Pharisees.
(Now the day on which Jesus made the mud and caused him to
see was a Sabbath.) So the Pharisees asked him again how he
had gained his sight. He replied, "He put mud on my eyes and I
washed, and now I am able to see." Then some of the Pharisees
began to say, "This man is not from God, because he does not
observe the Sabbath." But others said, "How can a man who
is a sinner perform such miraculous signs?" Thus there was a
division among them. So again they asked the man who used
to be blind, "What do you say about him, since he caused
you to see?" "He is a prophet," the man replied.
-- Gospel of John, chapter 9, verses 13 to 17 / NETbible
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btw: I'm an unregistered AND unlicensed prophet. Nuff said!
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- the one very tender and sore just now - textman ;>
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P.S. "If you don't play by the rules, the game means
nothing." -- Mister Steed (british secret agent)
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rapt

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Well, textman, after reading your last post, and your definition of what a prophet of God is, let us know the truth:

Have you ever healed anyone of anything like the TRUE Prophet did?

Or was your post a merely parady to amuse us with?
 
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Pilgrimagain

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A person who hold the office of prophet (so to speak) is one who first makes the claim to be a prophet of God and then has 100% accuracy in prophecys. In OT terms, this does not mean making blancket statements based on sound doctrine, but rather, relating the word of God as it has been spoken to the prophet by God.
 

Brother Vinny

Active member
Hmmm. The opposition's numbers have doubled since last I looked.

I'm begining to wonder if I should be concerned. :eek:

Ah, well.

Much love to drdeutsch for his generous compliment.

Word.
 

themuzicman

Well-known member
Paul, Paul, Paul...

Paul, Paul, Paul...

I was a bit disappointed in your last post, Paul. I had hoped you would bring further scripture and theology out to distance yourself further from fG7, but you've wasted a round pointing out that fG7 hasn't exactly said a lot to either support the W-F position, and has spent a lot of time trying to deflect and minimize criticism.

After reading your post, I said "Well, duh..." Any person reading this thread would agree.

Come on! Haul out the BIG GUNS! :eek:

Michael
 

Brother Vinny

Active member
Re: Paul, Paul, Paul...

Re: Paul, Paul, Paul...

Originally posted by themuzicman
I was a bit disappointed in your last post, Paul. I had hoped you would bring further scripture and theology out to distance yourself further from fG7, but you've wasted a round pointing out that fG7 hasn't exactly said a lot to either support the W-F position, and has spent a lot of time trying to deflect and minimize criticism.

After reading your post, I said "Well, duh..." Any person reading this thread would agree.

Come on! Haul out the BIG GUNS! :eek:

Michael

Sorry, Michael.

I did think it was important to not let fG7 attempt to distance the W-F movement from the doctrines it espouses. (Add to that the fact that fG7 hasn't done a thing to support his side, really, and I almost feel as if I don't have to try. Maybe that's his strategy, you think?) One order of BIG GUNS, coming right up!
 

textman

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The Parable of the Gardener

The Parable of the Gardener

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> On 17oct rapt replied: Well, textman, after reading your
> last post, and your definition of what a prophet of God
> is, let us know the truth: Have you ever healed anyone of
> anything like the TRUE Prophet did? Or was your post a
> merely parody to amuse us with?
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textman answers: Yes and no. That is the short version of
the answers to your two questions. But I suppose that a little
elaboration is called for here. Hence the long version:
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Now it is said that there is in the land a certain diligent
gardener who loves the Lord. When the spring comes, the
gardener goes out and prepares the soil. And when the time
is right he places the seeds in nice straight rows; each row
having a different type of seed, so that many edible plants
may grow side by side in the same good earth, yet each in its
proper place. As the tiny plants are well watered and fed by
the sun and skies, so they grow and ripen and care not for the
gardener or his plans. And although the gardener labors hard
to keep the garden healthy and strong, some of the plants fall
victim to the ways of the world. Some are choked by weeds,
others are ravaged by grasshoppers, others are knocked down
by strong winds, others are eaten by mice or worms, and
still more fall to the evil hunger of "doz rabbeets", and so on
and so forth. Yet despite all the chaos and confusion of the
never-ending battle, some few plants manage to survive,
while a tiny fraction even seem to thrive, despite all the
hostility and adversity (or perhaps because of it).
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Needless to say, the meaning of this parable is not immediately
evident in its totality, since a literal reading will not
(because it cannot) discover the significance of these verses.
But if I give you the key to unlock the mystery, then the truth
gradually breaks forth. Suppose, therefore, that the cyber-
prophet is like unto this diligent gardener, and the little
seeds are his many and varied prophetic epistles that are
sown into the good earth (ie. cyber-space). :D
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The different types of plants represent the different types
of minds and hearts that receive the prophetic word; each
understanding it in his or her own way, according to the inner
light granted to each by the Father of Lights. But there are
still many and various factors that can influence each reader,
and how they respond to these epistles. Those knocked down
by strong winds are those who are too committed (to some
doctrine or theology or teacher, etc) to accept these messages
in good faith. :p
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Those eaten by rabbits are those who reject the epistles
because the author does not measure up to their personal
expectations and demands as to what a prophet must be and
do. Those eaten by mice and worms are those who are too
preoccupied with the world and its worries to even ask what
these epistles are really saying. It's not that they don't believe,
or don't want to believe, it's just that they have no time or
energy to ask themselves hard questions. :doh:
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On the other hand, some readers come only to be amused.
They are very strong and certain in their unbelief, and love to
laugh at the Lord as much as they can. Yet even these horribly
corrupted persons are receiving some few drops of the Spirit of
Truth into their hearts, such that the Word begins to stir deep
within them, and often compels them to hunger for more. For
the Lord's many truths work in many many mysterious ways;
ways often unnoticed, and more often simply ignored. These
are the ones who constantly battle with the weeds of doubt
and disbelief. No doubt they are legion, poor sods; but still
precious unto the Lord. :cool:
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Then again there are those that thrive in the face of the
world's unbelief. They do not care to judge the wisdom of the
Lord in choosing this unworthy vehicle. They do not care to
test the prophet to see if his claims be valid or not. Rather,
they rejoice in the Lord, and give thanks for the abundant
blessings and riches thus bestowed only unto the eyes of pure
faith. They are a sweet fragrance unto God, fer sure. :kiss:
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And so on and so forth. For you can see by now that this is
simply a parable of faith. For it is not the gardener who
causes the plants to grow or wither, to bloom or fade, to
live or to die. All of these things, all of these miracles,
are entirely out of my hands, and in the hands of Providence.
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All things, then, are as they should be. Amen. :angel:
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- the almost semi-fragrant one - textman ;>
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P.S. "Then they will call on me, but I will not answer;
They will seek me diligently, but will not find me.
Because they hated knowledge,
And did not choose the fear of the LORD.
They would not accept my counsel,
They spurned all my reproof" (Proverbs 1:28-30).
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Flipper

New member
Paul DeYonghe wrote:

“Where’s the beef? Where’s the beef?” my opponent asks me
He tsks me, he tasks me
Attacks while I’m kickin’ back—see?...

Now that was funny. A tactic somewhat out of left field, but highly entertaining.

But Paul, hasn't anyone ever told you that it's rude to play with your food?
 

AVmetro

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Banned
Seems FG7 is a very enthusiatic Christian and I admire that. Few people seem to have that fire these days. Secondly, he doesn't seem to follow Haggin etc.. as close as one may have thought. However, I'm not a Wof-er though I believe in biblical gifts etc.

If what Paul posts is correct, then my vote goes there. Although I don't think that FG7 is defending against that particular form in question. I'll have to see it to the end. ;)

God bless--Jeremiah
 

Brother Vinny

Active member
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AVmetro

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I did what you said, and for some reason they gave it to me for free "..as long as I don't hurt them"..or something like that... :confused:
 
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