TweetyBird
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what Name was He trying to make great among the nations then?
His Character, Renown, Reputation, Authority and Salvation.
That was what Israel was known for...that church in the wilderness as Jew Stephen was stoned for reminding them who the true founder was and which the Jews killed.
Israel was known for the Mosaic Law and being the people chosen by God that the Messiah would eventually come through. It was a means to the end. He could have chosen any people group, it would have not changed the outcome - that salvation is for all mankind. It's not an ethnic or cultural or tradition based Gospel. It is a brand new, unheard of, fresh.
as the believing Jews were still of Israel that church in the wilderness...and still maintaining their kosher sabbath keeping festival observing ways
Read Gal 3. The children of Abraham are all those who believe in Jesus Christ by faith, regardless of ethnicity, or culture, or religion, or tradition.
After the return to the second temple it was also known as Judaism but yes already different than what it was as part of Israel...
No it was not. According to Nehemiah and Ezra, all of Israel, gathered from all 12 tribes, were one nation who vowed to keep all the Law of Moses once more. It didn't last long of course.
But even during Jeremiah's time a conspiracy was found among it...
What conspiracy?
ummm yes that oral law was exactly what He rejected to preserve and uphold Sabbath...to restore lost Israel back to the original...
The Talmud legend is that there was an oral law given at Mt Sinai. It is not fact. Jesus did not come to restore Israel to the Law. They already had it, written down and read every Sabbath. They didn't need Jesus for the Law of Moses. John tells us that the Law and Prophets were until himself, then the Kingdom of God was preached - that is exactly what Jesus taught.
Lol...Ditto the early church...He was a danger to the status quo...as they were...this king of the Jews was a danger to Rome as every Jew was...especially this new group that so many Romans were joining...
What are you talking about? It makes zero sense.
Jews were grudgingly accepted but only when this new group was conformed into something less Jewish and more palatable to European tastes was it accepted...
More verbiage with no sources or documentation.
lol...says you
Kosher, Sabbath keeping, festival observing, "salvation is of the Jews" saying, christening the new covenant with a toast to a room full of Jews, etc...
Jesus was born Jewish - ethnically - because God chose the Jewish nation as a means to the end. Through David's loins the King and Messiah came. But what Jesus taught and died for was all mankind, in a way that was contrary to the Moses Law.
Lol...Even the Jews accused Paul of removing the customs traditions "of Moses " and he denied it...
Paul never denied it, because he taught it ... :doh: Paul was all about bringing peace to any situation ... well, except when he stirred up the pharisees against the saducees to save his own behind. But when it came to the Jews, he played it very smart - he kept the Law when he was with them, but when he was with the Gentiles, he did not. His motive and intent was to promote the Gospel of Christ and whatever it took to do it. He did not even keep the Law himself per his own words and actions.
But yes Rome has worked hard to remove everything "Jewish" ironically keeping unleavened bread...
I have no idea why you are promoting this myth.
and Rome still persecutes His own...denying Him, His way...
You are an expert at going off on tangents. This has nothing to do with anything we are discussing.
For us to become more like Him...not He us...even as us He implored we become more like Him His way...
Isaiah 53 says what? To make it less about Him His way?
Are you suggesting that we walk up the hill to Calvary bearing the sins of the whole world and being nailed to cross in order to do WJWD? :noway::help: