ARGH!!! Calvinism makes me furious!!!
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No doubt. :chuckle:deardelmar said:
Z Man is the only Calvinist that I have met that compels other Calvinists to ask me to ban him. I can see why they would want that. :rotfl:
God_Is_Truth
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Z Man said:
No, Romans 1 does not say that all we can get is that he exists. We also get that he wants us to live a certain way and that we will be judged according to how we lived and that none of us lives as they ought to. Paul's point is that the gentiles knew God, knew he wanted them to live a certain way, knew they didn't measure up themselves, but utlimately did not care.
As for Joe Shmuck, no he could not just say those things. What he says is logically evaludated. I'm not talking about subjective interpretation. I am talking about the objective reality. Objective truth exists outside of the bible and it's those things that can be known without the bible. Again, it's objective and not subjective.
Well, you have to at least consider that your interpretation of Isaiah 45:7 could be wrong. The real question is "what does the text actually say, and do I need to change my interpretation of other passages because of it?" Verses don't trump each other, they fit together. If two pieces don't fit, then one piece needs to be changed. So again, we need to figure out what Jesus is saying apart from certain theological positions. Don't you agree?
I agree that the people were no worse sinners. But you end your explanation with "God uses tragedy to display His glory". How would having a tower fall on people give God glory? What about that event brings him glory? What glory might it bring him? And further, why does Jesus not mention anything about glory in this passage? We see it in the blind man, but it seems to be absent here. Doesn't that suggest a difference? Doesn't the absence of any explanation at all from Jesus suggest that it wasn't from God?
That's not quite accurate. What it should be is "If the bible says God always controls the weather, then He always controls the weather." The same goes for disease. It is not necessarily the case that just because God controlled the weather once that he is always controlling the weather. Indeed, it would seem that if he always controlled the weather then there would be no reason to say "God flooded the earth" as in Genesis. It would be a redundancy, suggesting that the recorded times are indeed special and unusual.
The proverbs passage is indeed interseting, though I'm hesitant to build much doctrine upon it because of it's vagueness and generalities. But, you say nothing is left to chance. Why then would Jesus say in a story that a man came by chance? (Luke 10:31) Indeed, if nothing is left to chance, shouldn't Jesus have said "Now as God had intended, a certain priest came down..." instead of "Now by chance a certain priest came down" ? Doesn't this suggest that Jesus believed in some chance? Doesn't it suggest that not everything happens for a reason?
Also, does not God use the same logic as we do? Logic is logic, right? I am not denying our lower understanding but that it is lower at all means it is of the same type and acts in the same way. For any being, just because you control some things does not mean you control all things. Correct?
Because I'm not talking about subjective truth, but objective truth. See above.
Freak are you going to officially retract your statement that "God is a murderer"?Freak said:
Freak
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Knight,
My conscience is clear before the Lord Jesus and have asked some close friends about what I posted and they understood what I meant (as SS did).
I still stand by the fact that God kills & uses evil spirits for His pursposes.
My conscience is clear before the Lord Jesus and have asked some close friends about what I posted and they understood what I meant (as SS did).
Knight, I'm sorry that I miscommunicated. This is the only thing I can apologize for. I have never believed God was a murderer! I simply miscommunicated. Posting what you believe on a forum can sometimes be misinterepreted easily as in the case here.sentientsynth said:
I still stand by the fact that God kills & uses evil spirits for His pursposes.
Yep.
Not hard at all. I have made my share of mistakes and have no problem admitting them! As Knight knows I have gone public in being wrong on the issue of the death penalty for example (resulting in many mocking me as Lighthouse did earlier).
Was that so hard????Freak said:
Which is why I asked you to simply clarify and you refused to!Freak said:
But hey... you said you are sorry today so I forgive you.
:up:Freak said:
Knight said:
Zman is either stupid or stubborn. Knight is making a simple case that is understandable at an elementary level. Zman is the king of logical fallacy on this subject and distorts the whole teaching of God for proof texting. :bang: :bang:
Zman is a case study in the power of a preconceived theology to blind one to simple truth and logic.
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I never said it wasn't.Z Man said:
Can you prove otherwise? Yeah, I didn't think so. So shut it.
Z Man-
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sentientsynth
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I am here for you, good sir Knight.Knight said:
Bum bada buuuuum. SS to the rescue!!
There is no contradiction!
Bum bada buuuuuum.
No contradiction from here, sir.
Up, up, and away!
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