Are you Going to Heaven?

aCultureWarrior

LIFETIME MEMBER
LIFETIME MEMBER
I am not a libertarian, and this is the only account I have.

I have yet to lie about anything, Mr. Dung Breath, and those who are in Christ have already repented. In fact, only unbelievers can repent to be saved. You still are greatly confused about repentance and salvation, as are all those who don't know the gospel.

If you want to discuss repentance concerning behavior, anyone can do that (believer or unbeliever), and should, but it has nothing to do with righteousness or the gospel. Again, you conflate morality and righteousness, which is why you are such a prig.
So that we can bring this discussion to a close, let's discuss repentance in the way the Bible teaches it and the way that you believe it is.

Let's pretend during this discussion that you're a practicing homosexual who is 'married' to another male. According to Scripture you must change your mind, your heart and your actions in the act of repentance in order to spend eternity with God, all of this done of course through accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

From what I've gathered from your cheap grace theology, you can admit that homosexuality is a sin, but you don't have to change your behavior in order to go to Heaven, so in essence, you really haven't repented because your heart and your actions haven't changed.
 

OZOS

Well-known member
So that we can bring this discussion to a close, let's discuss repentance in the way the Bible teaches it and the way that you believe it is.

Let's pretend during this discussion that you're a practicing homosexual who is 'married' to another male. According to Scripture you must change your mind, your heart and your actions in the act of repentance in order to spend eternity with God, all of this done of course through accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
Thank you for making it clear that you have never read the Bible, that you've never repented, and that you reject the gospel that saves. You preach a false gospel of salvation by merit through works, and the only words you will ever hear, from the Lord Jesus Christ, are "I never knew you".
 

aCultureWarrior

LIFETIME MEMBER
LIFETIME MEMBER
Thank you for making it clear that you have never read the Bible, that you've never repented, and that you reject the gospel that saves. You preach a false gospel of salvation by merit through works, and the only words you will ever hear, from the Lord Jesus Christ, are "I never knew you".
Back to the pretend scenario where you are a homosexual 'married' to another male: Of course you would ask God through the power of the Holy Spirit and your own self determination to give you the strength to embrace His Word which would involve divorcing your 'husband' and then seeking spiritual and psychological therapy to overcome your homosexuality.
I've talked to a few people who call themselves 'gay Christians' who because they were sexually molested as a child and went through unmentionable things that any person let alone a child shouldn't ever be subjected to, they've made some kind of 'deal' with God allowing them to continue in their ways because He allowed those things to happen to them.

God doesn't work that way.

Anyway, I'll continue to pray for you and hope that you overcome your psychological and spiritual confusion.
 

OZOS

Well-known member
I've talked to a few people who call themselves 'gay Christians' who because they were sexually molested as a child and went through unmentionable things that any person let alone a child shouldn't ever be subjected to, they've made some kind of 'deal' with God allowing them to continue in their ways because He allowed those things to happen to them.
No such person as a "gay Christian". Claiming that homosexuality is "not a sin" is evidence of someone who has never believed the gospel.
 

aCultureWarrior

LIFETIME MEMBER
LIFETIME MEMBER
No such person as a "gay Christian". Claiming that homosexuality is "not a sin" is evidence of someone who has never believed the gospel.
While many a 'gay Christian' thinks that God doesn't see 'loving' homosexual relationships as a sin, you'll note that I didn't use the words "not a sin" in my above post where I said that some homosexuals who want to have a relationship with God try to make a deal with Him because of the horrific things that they were subjected to as a child.

Back to where you're 'married' to another male...ahem...the pretend scenario where you're 'married' to another male and in order to repent, you have to take the action of divorcing your 'husband' and seek spiritual and perhaps psychological therapy to overcome your homosexual desires.

Does some self determination come into play when you want to change, or do you totally turn yourself over to Christ and the Holy Spirit and allow them to guide your life through good works?

How come you haven't done so?
 
Last edited:

OZOS

Well-known member
Back to where you're 'married' to another male...ahem...the pretend scenario where you're 'married' to another male and in order to repent, you have to take the action of divorcing your 'husband' and seek spiritual and perhaps psychological therapy to overcome your homosexual desires.

Does some self determination come into play when you want to change, or do you totally turn yourself over to Christ and the Holy Spirit and allow them to guide your life through good works?

How come you haven't done so?
Well, you misguided pervert, I have been married for 30 years to one woman, we have 8 kids, and 5 grandchildren. As far as those who pretend to be "married" to someone of the same gender, what they do or do not do, post receiving Christ, does not negate their identity in Christ. The same would go for YOU, once you choose to believe the gospel and receive Christ. Perfecting your behavior is not possible, and comparing yourself to your neighbor only brings about self-condemnation, because YOUR behavior is severely lacking when compared to God's. If you think you measure up, well then, you're delusional. Will your behavior change? It would certainly be something that the Holy Spirit gives consul on for every child of God, but YOU are not God's Holy Spirit, and YOU need to be concerned with the plank in your own eye. Now, once again, because you conflate behavior with belief, morality with righteousness, you are confused about your role in all of this. Everyone should be moral, whether they believe in God or not. Everyone should have good behavior, whether they believe in God or not. Everyone should have their evil behavior deterred, whether they believe in God or not. So, anyone can stand up and work to bring about justice, laws, rules, etc., in our country, state, city, business, church, school, home, etc., to deter evil behavior. But, this has nothing to do with being right with God, for no one is right with God based on their behavior, but SOLELY based on what they believe concerning Christ's once for all sacrifice for sin.

Get it? I doubt it.
 

aCultureWarrior

LIFETIME MEMBER
LIFETIME MEMBER
Well, you misguided pervert,
You called me a homosexual and child molester in another thread, it's good to see that I'm under your rainbow colored skin.

Back to good works that the Apostle James talked about that are required to go to Heaven.

I had asked the following question and I must have missed your answer in your ranting post:

"Does some self determination come into play when you want to change, or do you totally turn yourself over to Christ and the Holy Spirit and allow them to guide your life through good works?"

Isn't the pagan/secular humanist/atheist that decides that he wants to go to church and hear the Word of God to change his empty lifestyle beginning the process of repentance by doing so, even without being indwelled in the Holy Spirit?

How about the homosexual who wants to change and files for divorce from his 'husband' of 30 years, isn't that the first step to repentance before being indwelled with the Holy Spirit?

Faith without works is dead, and while good works alone will not get you to Heaven, faith alone won't either.
 

Jerry Shugart

Well-known member
"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" (Jas. 2:24).

What James said in the first chapter which tells us exactly how a person is saved:

"Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures" (Jas.1:18).

According to James the new birth comes as a result of believing the word of truth and nothing more. That is the same exact same teaching of Peter here:

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God...And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you." (1 Pet.1:23,25).

Peter tells these believers that they were born again by the gospel which was preached unto them.

A person is born again by the gospel. So let us look at James 2:24 in its context:

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works" (Jas.2:17-18).

The "dead faith" is not in regard to salvation because it has already been shown that in the first chapter James said that a person is born again by the gospel which was preached to them. So the dead faith is in regard to something else: "shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works"

If a person says he has faith but has no good works which flow from his faith then in another person's opinion that person's faith is a dead faith. Now let us look at this passage:

"Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?" (Jas.2:21-22).

Here James says that Abraham was justified by works but Paul says that his justification by works was not before God:

"For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God" (Ro.4:2).

Since James is speaking what what one person can know about another person's faith then the justification under discussion in the second chapter of James is about a justification before men. And here we read the Lord Jesus speaking about a justification before men:

"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God" (Lk.16:15).
 

OZOS

Well-known member
I must have missed your answer in your ranting post:
Maybe you should "repent" from being a moron.

Perfecting your behavior is not possible, and comparing yourself to your neighbor only brings about self-condemnation, because YOUR behavior is severely lacking when compared to God's. If you think you measure up, well then, you're delusional. Will your behavior change? It would certainly be something that the Holy Spirit gives consul on for every child of God, but YOU are not God's Holy Spirit, and YOU need to be concerned with the plank in your own eye. Now, once again, because you conflate behavior with belief, morality with righteousness, you are confused about your role in all of this. Everyone should be moral, whether they believe in God or not. Everyone should have good behavior, whether they believe in God or not. Everyone should have their evil behavior deterred, whether they believe in God or not. So, anyone can stand up and work to bring about justice, laws, rules, etc., in our country, state, city, business, church, school, home, etc., to deter evil behavior. But, this has nothing to do with being right with God, for no one is right with God based on their behavior, but SOLELY based on what they believe concerning Christ's once for all sacrifice for sin.
 

aCultureWarrior

LIFETIME MEMBER
LIFETIME MEMBER
Maybe you should "repent" from being a moron.

Perfecting your behavior is not possible, and comparing yourself to your neighbor only brings about self-condemnation, because YOUR behavior is severely lacking when compared to God's. If you think you measure up, well then, you're delusional. Will your behavior change? It would certainly be something that the Holy Spirit gives consul on for every child of God, but YOU are not God's Holy Spirit, and YOU need to be concerned with the plank in your own eye. Now, once again, because you conflate behavior with belief, morality with righteousness, you are confused about your role in all of this. Everyone should be moral, whether they believe in God or not. Everyone should have good behavior, whether they believe in God or not. Everyone should have their evil behavior deterred, whether they believe in God or not. So, anyone can stand up and work to bring about justice, laws, rules, etc., in our country, state, city, business, church, school, home, etc., to deter evil behavior. But, this has nothing to do with being right with God, for no one is right with God based on their behavior, but SOLELY based on what they believe concerning Christ's once for all sacrifice for sin.
Based on your past posts and this one, I gather that you believe that the homosexual 'married' to another male doesn't have to take the repentant action of divorcing him, as long as he has said the right words (Romans 10:9). You've said many times that Christ's sacrifice on the cross paid for the past, present and future sins of mankind; would the 'married' homosexual who acknowledges as you do about Christ's sacrifice on the cross be able to stay 'married' to his 'husband' and still go to Heaven?

Try to keep your answer short and simple for me and my fellow morons.
 

OZOS

Well-known member
Based on your past posts and this one, I gather that you believe that the homosexual 'married' to another male doesn't have to take the repentant action of divorcing him, as long as he has said the right words (Romans 10:9). You've said many times that Christ's sacrifice on the cross paid for the past, present and future sins of mankind, would the 'married' homosexual who acknowledges as you do about Christ's sacrifice on the cross be able to stay 'married' to his 'husband' and still go to Heaven?
Based on YOUR "gospel", unless you have "repented" from ALL sin, then YOU are no more qualified for heaven than any homosexual.

You are one blind prig.
 

aCultureWarrior

LIFETIME MEMBER
LIFETIME MEMBER
According to James the new birth comes as a result of believing the word of truth and nothing more.

I'll ask the same question of you that I did Ozos in my last post, as it appears that you embrace cheap grace theology as well.

"You've said many times that Christ's sacrifice on the cross paid for the past, present and future sins of mankind; would the 'married' homosexual who acknowledges as you do about Christ's sacrifice on the cross be able to stay 'married' to his 'husband' and still go to Heaven?"
 

aCultureWarrior

LIFETIME MEMBER
LIFETIME MEMBER
Based on YOUR "gospel", unless you have "repented" from ALL sin, then YOU are no more qualified for heaven than any homosexual.

You are one blind prig.
I'll give you one more opportunity to denounce the homosexual who is 'married' to another male and doesn't think that he has to divorce his 'husband' to spend eternity with God as long as he says the right words.

Is it necessary for him to do so?
 

OZOS

Well-known member
I'll give you one more opportunity to denounce the homosexual who is 'married' to another male and doesn't think that he has to divorce his 'husband' to spend eternity with God as long as he says the right words.

Is it necessary for him to do so?
I'll give YOU one last opportunity to admit that you preach a false gospel that is based on merit and works righteousness, and yet you have failed to "repent" from ALL sin. YOU are no more qualified for heaven than any homosexual, child molester, rapist, murderer, liar, thief, adulterer, or the covetous. You will go to hell, you godless, anti-Christ, pervert. Count on it.
 

aCultureWarrior

LIFETIME MEMBER
LIFETIME MEMBER
I'll give YOU one last opportunity to admit that you preach a false gospel that is based on merit and works righteousness, and yet you have failed to "repent" from ALL sin. YOU are no more qualified for heaven than any homosexual, child molester, rapist, murderer, liar, thief, adulterer, or the covetous. You will go to hell, you godless, anti-Christ, pervert. Count on it.
I knew that you wouldn't denounce the homosexual who is 'married' to another male and who like you embraces cheap grace theology. BTW, when someone repents, they repent of ALL sin, even the one that is very special to them <wink>.

Jerry, you're not a one post wonder are you? Please come back and defend your cheap grace theology, as I would like to share ALL of the passage that James talked about when he said "Faith without works is dead".
 

OZOS

Well-known member
I knew that you wouldn't denounce the homosexual who is 'married' to another male and who like you embraces cheap grace theology. BTW, when someone repents, they repent of ALL sin, even the one that is very special to them <wink>.
I have denounced ALL homosexual activity as "worthy of death", you lying pile of dung. You have NEVER repented from ALL sin, you liar. You're delusional, and self-righteous. No such thing as "cheap grace", but YOU have repeatedly mocked the grace of God and called the blood of Jesus unclean and ineffective to take away the sins of the world. You still claim that men are not saved by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, but that men are saved by repenting from their sins. That is an outright rejection of the cross, of which YOU are an enemy. You will spend eternity in hell surrounded by all those homosexuals who refused to believe the gospel, just like you have.
 

aCultureWarrior

LIFETIME MEMBER
LIFETIME MEMBER
aCultureWarrior said:
I knew that you wouldn't denounce the homosexual who is 'married' to another male and who like you embraces cheap grace theology. BTW, when someone repents, they repent of ALL sin, even the one that is very special to them <wink>.
I have denounced ALL homosexual activity as "worthy of death", you lying pile of dung.
How Muslim of you. If you knew anything about the New Testament, you'd know that Jesus embraces all of those that repent and accept Him as their Lord and Savior, even those who once engaged in homosexual activity. You'd also know that Jesus rescinded the penalty of death for certain sexual sins given to the Jews by God. Note that the homosexual that refuses to 'divorce' his 'husband' of 30 years hadn't repented.
You have NEVER repented from ALL sin, you liar.
Oh how I miss the days of when you also called me a "coward!". Throw a "you're a liar and a coward!" in for old time sake would ja?

You're delusional, and self-righteous. No such thing as "cheap grace".
It's been defined and you've defended it.

but YOU have repeatedly mocked the grace of God and called the blood of Jesus unclean and ineffective to take away the sins of the world. You still claim that men are not saved by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, but that men are saved by repenting from their sins. That is an outright rejection of the cross, of which YOU are an enemy. You will spend eternity in hell surrounded by all those homosexuals who refused to believe the gospel, just like you have.
How about the homosexual that refuses to 'divorce' his 'husband' of 30 years, will he be joining me?
 

OZOS

Well-known member
aCultureWarrior said:
I knew that you wouldn't denounce the homosexual who is 'married' to another male and who like you embraces cheap grace theology. BTW, when someone repents, they repent of ALL sin, even the one that is very special to them <wink>.

You have never repented of all sin, so you are as much of a pervert as any homosexual.

How Muslim of you.
You're the "Muslim". You're the one on this site claiming that people go to heaven based on their behavior. YOU are exactly like every Muslim, you hypocrite. That's another sin you've never repented of.

If you knew anything about the New Testament, you'd know that Jesus embraces all of those that repent and accept Him as their Lord and Savior, even those who once engaged in homosexual activity.
Jesus accepts all those who repent and believe the gospel, which has NOTHING to do with your false gospel of "repenting from sins". You still have no clue what repentance is. And YOU have never repented from all your sins, so according to you, Jesus would reject you just as much as those who have not ceased from homosexuality. The fact is, you tolerate homosexuals the same as you tolerate your own evil behavior.

More proof that you have never read the Bible...

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them."

"For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil."

It's been defined and you've defended it.
No, it has not, because it does not exist, except in the mind of a pervert like you. Again, you spit on God's grace and His shed blood, trusting in and boasting in your behavior to be saved, but you are without Christ and without hope.

How about the homosexual that refuses to 'divorce' his 'husband' of 30 years, will he be joining me?
If, like you, he believes that he is saved by his behavior, then he will join you in hell.
 
Top