:rotfl: heathen
ARE YOU DOING ENOUGH?
- Thread starter Truster
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And so was I. It's not to be mocked at. I have nothing that I have not received.
oatmeal
Well-known member
What if you sincere towards God but doing the wrong thing?
But if you are correct and we have no free will choice in the matter, then your thread is pointless.
But why would God not let you be 100% sincere? If someone, according to your theology of no free will, is not 100% sincere, it is not the fault of the individual, but of God.
If what seems to you to be only 50% effort in another is true, then you must ask God why God controlled that person to do only 50% not 100
So if you are correct that man has no free will, then why do you ask?
Epoisses
New member
The Good News of the Reformed gospel. Step right up and win the cosmic lottery. All those verses on faith and repentance are just an illusion. There is no heaven to win or a hell to shun just believe in our twisted gospel and you will become one of the elect like us. We have been elected by Satan to pervert the gospel to our dying days.
oatmeal
Well-known member
Really? But if your theology is true, then that is God's fault, not mine.
It therefore your god you are finding fault with, not me.
I don't find fault with Him. You are bound to your mistaken beliefs. You will continue in them and perish, unless you are converted.
I was converted before I discovered the doctrine of predetermination. I found it in Romans and Ephesians.
oatmeal
Well-known member
According to your theology of no free will, that is God's choice, not mine. So again, according to your beliefs, you blame God for my mistaken beliefs, for I have no choice in the matter.
Why do you criticize me if indeed, I an not capable of choosing, let alone doing what is right?
Nang
TOL Subscriber
Yes, it is taught there, as clear as day . . for those given grace to see.
Oh, my.
Yep, but my comment remains accurate. You and Truster continue to snipe at each other, each claiming he is correct in interpreting your Scripture. It's like listening to 10 year olds bad mouthing each other's mother. The old "Oh yeah, well your mother wears combat boots."
I have never declared that "I am right". I simply convey the truth. I don't argue I simply declare the facts. I don't snipe I see the target clearly and fire.
Epoisses
New member
So why is the Lutheran understanding of predestination light years away from the Reformed understanding? You have no answer for that. Reformed act as if they own the doctrine of predestination and the only thing they own is their perversion of it.
I take it that you haven't read Luther's Bondage of the Will. Or his commentary on Romans.
Epoisses
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Yes I have read the latter and Luther was very strong on God's choice being the sole factor in determining the elect from the non-elect. The gospel is preached to all and those who believe are elect and those who do not are non-elect. It's as simple as that. You may claim to be an elect believer but you deny that Christ died for all which has nothing to do with election. The cross is not where Christ chose it is where he died for all people and all sin.
So close and yet no comprehension. Parrot fashion is the only thing you have, but your marching mantra is out of step with truth.
Epoisses
New member
So did Christ choose the elect on the cross or from eternity past?