Just in case anyone had a few more words they wanted to say about the incident, the president's response to it, or to add to the larger discussion on a growing, increasingly emboldened, extremist, alt-right cancer on the national body politic.
Alt-righter plows into crowd of anti-racists in Charlottesville
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Anna posted this toward the end of the now locked and Hitler sealed thread on the topic. I can't run the link because of that so there's the attribution and here's the post:
President Trump’s false claim that counter-demonstrators lacked a permit
“You had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit, and they were very, very violent. . . . You had a lot of people in that [white nationalist] group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know — I don’t know if you know — they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit.”
— President Trump, remarks during a news conference on infrastructure, Aug. 15, 2017
In blaming both sides for the violence in Charlottesville that left one person dead, President Trump twice asserted that the people protesting white supremacists and neo-Nazis lacked a permit, unlike the groups that gathered to protest the possible removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.
But that’s turned out to be false, according to documents and interviews obtained by our Washington Post colleague Justin Moyer.
The Facts
Walt Heinecke, a professor at the University of Virginia, told Moyer that he received a “special events certificate of approval” for events at McGuffey Park and Justice Park — sites blocks from Emancipation Park, where white nationalists had a permit for a Saturday rally. A car allegedly driven by James Alex Fields Jr. rammed into counter-protesters, killing a 32-year-old woman, on Fourth Street, which runs adjacent to Justice Park.
The document is below, with Heinecke’s address and cellphone number removed.
2017 Public Demonstration Unity and Love Free Speech August 12 2017Certificate of Approvalby GlennKesslerWP on Scribd
Charlottesville spokeswoman Miriam I. Dickler told Moyer that only one permit was issued for Emancipation Park — the one received by white nationalists staging the “Unite the Right” rally. However, counter-protesters did not need permits to protest that rally, she said.
“Please bear in mind that people do not need a permit to enter a public park, even when another event is scheduled to take place there, nor are they required to have one to be on streets or sidewalks adjacent to or outside the park,” Dickler said in an email.
On Friday night, 250 white nationalists carrying torches marched and chanted anti-Semitic slogans on the U-Va. campus, where they encountered about 30 students who had locked arms around the base of a statue of Thomas Jefferson, according to a Washington Post timeline. Brief clashes took place, resulting in some injuries. U-Va. allows access to open spaces and so permits were not required for such marches, according to a statement by U-Va. President Teresa A. Sullivan condemning the “intimidating and abhorrent behavior displayed by the alt-right protestors.”
On Saturday, when the major violence occurred, people started gathering in Emancipation Park. Charlottesville Police Chief Al S. Thomas Jr. told The Post the white-nationalist groups went back on a plan that would have kept them separated from the counter-protesters. The two sides started clashing, and by 11:22 a.m. police had declared an unlawful assembly.
“I think what the president is trying to say is that counter-protesters did not have a permit to be in Emancipation Park,” Heinicke said. “That’s irrelevant.” He added: “Either way you cut it, the president got it wrong.”
The White House declined to comment.
President Trump’s false claim that counter-demonstrators lacked a permit
“You had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit, and they were very, very violent. . . . You had a lot of people in that [white nationalist] group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know — I don’t know if you know — they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit.”
— President Trump, remarks during a news conference on infrastructure, Aug. 15, 2017
In blaming both sides for the violence in Charlottesville that left one person dead, President Trump twice asserted that the people protesting white supremacists and neo-Nazis lacked a permit, unlike the groups that gathered to protest the possible removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.
But that’s turned out to be false, according to documents and interviews obtained by our Washington Post colleague Justin Moyer.
The Facts
Walt Heinecke, a professor at the University of Virginia, told Moyer that he received a “special events certificate of approval” for events at McGuffey Park and Justice Park — sites blocks from Emancipation Park, where white nationalists had a permit for a Saturday rally. A car allegedly driven by James Alex Fields Jr. rammed into counter-protesters, killing a 32-year-old woman, on Fourth Street, which runs adjacent to Justice Park.
The document is below, with Heinecke’s address and cellphone number removed.
2017 Public Demonstration Unity and Love Free Speech August 12 2017Certificate of Approvalby GlennKesslerWP on Scribd
Charlottesville spokeswoman Miriam I. Dickler told Moyer that only one permit was issued for Emancipation Park — the one received by white nationalists staging the “Unite the Right” rally. However, counter-protesters did not need permits to protest that rally, she said.
“Please bear in mind that people do not need a permit to enter a public park, even when another event is scheduled to take place there, nor are they required to have one to be on streets or sidewalks adjacent to or outside the park,” Dickler said in an email.
On Friday night, 250 white nationalists carrying torches marched and chanted anti-Semitic slogans on the U-Va. campus, where they encountered about 30 students who had locked arms around the base of a statue of Thomas Jefferson, according to a Washington Post timeline. Brief clashes took place, resulting in some injuries. U-Va. allows access to open spaces and so permits were not required for such marches, according to a statement by U-Va. President Teresa A. Sullivan condemning the “intimidating and abhorrent behavior displayed by the alt-right protestors.”
On Saturday, when the major violence occurred, people started gathering in Emancipation Park. Charlottesville Police Chief Al S. Thomas Jr. told The Post the white-nationalist groups went back on a plan that would have kept them separated from the counter-protesters. The two sides started clashing, and by 11:22 a.m. police had declared an unlawful assembly.
“I think what the president is trying to say is that counter-protesters did not have a permit to be in Emancipation Park,” Heinicke said. “That’s irrelevant.” He added: “Either way you cut it, the president got it wrong.”
The White House declined to comment.
Fake News
annabenedetti
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Yep. It was Trump who had the fake news, which had to be corrected by the White House staff. :chuckle:
Trump makes mistakes, he's not a racist
annabenedetti
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He makes A LOT of mistakes.
I can't give him the benefit of the doubt on that anymore.
BTW - Did you know his dad marched with the KKK?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
annabenedetti
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annabenedetti
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You care so much you even took the time to explain your motives for repeated posts in the thread.
annabenedetti
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:rotfl:
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Yeah, cos people who legitimately don't care generally tend to make a public show of it...
Doofus.
He absolutely does and there's reason to believe he has some fairly out of date racial prejudices. A hundred years ago he might have seemed progressive. Today, not so much.
Back to Charlottesville.
According to a reporter on the scene from The Rolling Stone Magazine, protesters of the Alt right rally were marching peaceably when a supporter of the alt right movement used his car as a lethal instrument, a weapon of terror. One woman died. Many more were injured. That same reporter describe a number of heavily armed men among the alt right, who came to Charlottesville with malice in their method.
The police appear to have made no effort to cordon off the opposing factions. Many incidents of violence and intimidation went on under the nose of police who only stood and watched.
Said notable racist leader David Duke, "We are determined to take our country back. We're going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That's what we believed in, and that's why we voted for Donald Trump."
You emboldened leftist !! :chuckle:
There's nothing funny about what happened in Charlottesville, PJ. The clown you helped elect has sewn seeds that are bearing destructive fruit for our Republic.
annabenedetti
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Yeah.
lain:Mass. Officer on Va. Rally Crash: 'Hahahaha Love This'
Lariviere had written on Facebook: "Hahahaha love this, maybe people shouldn't block road ways."
He was responding to a story about the death on Saturday of 32-year-old Heather Heyer, who was struck by a car that plowed into a crowd of people protesting the white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.
