ACTS 2 PENTECOST

DougE

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2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Those listed in Acts 1:13-14 were of one accord and were assembled together in Jerusalem.
2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
The Jews and proselytes in the city investigated what was going on.
2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
The apostles, filled with the Holy Ghost, began to speak in tongues.
2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Speaking in tongues, as can clearly be seen above in verses 8 and 11, involves the ability given the apostles to speak and be heard in a specific language, not of their own. It was a sign given them to substantiate their ministry.
Peter, standing with the eleven, spoke.
2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Pentecost and the filling of the Holy Host was prophesied by Joel. This was a fulfillment of prophecy in Joel 2.
2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only. Peter preached Jesus as Christ and his resurrection. The resurrection of Jesus Christ would establish the future promise of His Kingdom on earth. This promised Kingdom would put him on the throne of David; enable Israel to reign and rule with him over the nations; and be a light of salvation to the Gentiles, thru the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Peter, in the above verses, states that Jesus is both Lord and Christ. Jesus rose from the dead, showing his diety, that he is the Son of God.
In verse 38 below, Peter shows that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah, the Saviour of Israel, who alone can forgive the sins of the nation of Israel.

2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
Peter is only offering the above promises of remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost to Israel and those Gentiles who would come to God thru Israel.

2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
The believers were baptized according to the Israel program of recognition of the name; the authority; and the idenity of Jesus. They were added to them, the church of the Kingdom to come, not the Body of Christ.

2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
They sold all they had and provided to all according to the commandment to Israel by Jesus in Matthew 13:46 and 19:21.

2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
They were in one accord as well. The church here is not the Body of Christ. The church here are the believers in Christ who were promised entrance into the Kingdom on earth. The kingdom which is postponed and interrupted by our Dispensation of Grace.
 

TrevorL

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Greetings DougE,
In the above verses it should be noted that Peter was not addressing the newly formed church, the Body of Christ, but rather, Israel only. Peter preached Jesus as Christ and his resurrection. The resurrection of Jesus Christ would establish the future promise of His Kingdom on earth. This promised Kingdom would put him on the throne of David; enable Israel to reign and rule with him over the nations; and be a light of salvation to the Gentiles, thru the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Peter was addressing an assembly of Jews, and out of that assembly 3000 responded and were baptised and became members of the Church (Greek Ekklesia), and were thus part of the body of Christ.
Peter is only offering the above promises of remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost to Israel and those Gentiles who would come to God thru Israel.
Peter is offering salvation to these Jews who repented and were baptised. You have added other concepts.
2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
The believers were baptized according to the Israel program of recognition of the name; the authority; and the idenity of Jesus. They were added to them, the church of the Kingdom to come, not the Body of Christ.
They were added to the Church, the body of Christ.
They were in one accord as well. The church here is not the Body of Christ. The church here are the believers in Christ who were promised entrance into the Kingdom on earth. The kingdom which is postponed and interrupted by our Dispensation of Grace.
The Church is the body of Christ. The Kingdom has not been postponed or interrupted, but Christ will return soon to establish this Kingdom and Jesus will sit upon the Throne of David, and both Jewish and Gentile believers will rule with Christ for the 1000 years over the nations Isaiah 2:1-5.

Kind regards
Trevor
 

Right Divider

Body part
Greetings DougE,Peter was addressing an assembly of Jews, and out of that assembly 3000 responded and were baptised and became members of the Church (Greek Ekklesia), and were thus part of the body of Christ.
The body of Christ did not even begin until YEARS later.

Peter is offering salvation to these Jews who repented and were baptised. You have added other concepts.
No, he hasn't. The day of Pentecost was a Jewish (Israelite) feast required by law. They were continuing with God's plans for Israel as described in prophecy.

They were added to the Church, the body of Christ.
No, they were not. The body of Christ had not even come into existence yet.

The Church is the body of Christ.
Was the church in the wilderness the body of Christ? No, it was Israel, just like the church at Pentecost.

The Kingdom has not been postponed or interrupted, but Christ will return soon to establish this Kingdom and Jesus will sit upon the Throne of David, and both Jewish and Gentile believers will rule with Christ for the 1000 years over the nations Isaiah 2:1-5.
Of course it was postponed. It was AT HAND then.... and NOW, here we are 2000 years later.
 

Robert Pate

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Acts 2 is about the Gospel coming into the world in the power of the Holy Spirit. All that heard and believed Peter's Gospel were baptized with the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:37, 38. Acts 2 is what gave birth to the New Testament Church. There were not just Jews there, there were people from all over the region, Acts 2:8-11.

Anyone that is baptized with the Holy Spirit is a part of Christ's church. the Holy Spirit is a mark of God's ownership and those that receive it belong to Jesus Christ, Ephesians 1:13.
 

Right Divider

Body part
Acts 2 is about the Gospel coming into the world in the power of the Holy Spirit. All that heard and believed Peter's Gospel were baptized with the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:37, 38. Acts 2 is what gave birth to the New Testament Church. There were not just Jews there, there were people from all over the region, Acts 2:8-11.
Poor Robert, so zealous and yet so ignorant.

They were Jews and proselytes Robert. Do you know what a proselyte is?

Anyone that is baptized with the Holy Spirit is a part of Christ's church. the Holy Spirit is a mark of God's ownership and those that receive it belong to Jesus Christ, Ephesians 1:13.
Mixing prophecy with mystery will leave you in this confused state that you're in.
 

jamie

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The church here is not the Body of Christ. The church here are the believers in Christ who were promised entrance into the Kingdom on earth. The kingdom which is postponed and interrupted by our Dispensation of Grace.

In what way has the kingdom been postponed and interrupted?

"For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body." (Ephesians 5:23)

Paul claims Christ is head of the church, so who is head of the body?
 

DougE

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Hello Right Divider...I know what you mean about lack of indentation....I write with indentations on word pad, but when I paste it on this site it jumbles everything...sorry.
By the way I appreciate your comments.
 

Robert Pate

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Poor Robert, so zealous and yet so ignorant.

They were Jews and proselytes Robert. Do you know what a proselyte is?


Mixing prophecy with mystery will leave you in this confused state that you're in.

No, it says there were Galileans, Parthians, Medes, Elamites and the dwellers in Mesopotamia and in Judea and Cappadocia in Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia in Egypt and in parts of Libya about Cyrene and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians.

I have scripture, you have nothing.

Mostly Jews, but not all.
 

Right Divider

Body part
No, it says there were Galileans, Parthians, Medes, Elamites and the dwellers in Mesopotamia and in Judea and Cappadocia in Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia in Egypt and in parts of Libya about Cyrene and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians.

I have scripture, you have nothing.

Mostly Jews, but not all.
Please read the posts that you respond to.

Proselytes.... what are they? They are NOT your run of the mill gentiles.

Don't be so ignorant.
 

Robert Pate

New member
Please read the posts that you respond to.

Proselytes.... what are they? They are NOT your run of the mill gentiles.

Don't be so ignorant.

Cretes and Arabians. Altogether there are seventeen different nations or ethnic groups mentioned in Acts 2:9-11. This seems to be a number of some spiritual significance as representing all of the world's nations. Source: The institute for Creation Research.

God was sending the Gospel to all of the world.
 

Right Divider

Body part
Cretes and Arabians. Altogether there are seventeen different nations or ethnic groups mentioned in Acts 2:9-11. This seems to be a number of some spiritual significance as representing all of the world's nations. Source: The institute for Creation Research.

God was sending the Gospel to all of the world.
Israel was SCATTERED throughout the world. Please read the Bible before you make more of a fool out of yourself.

Isa 11:10-12 KJV And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. (11) And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. (12) And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

That is what Jesus was talking about here:

Mat 24:29-31 KJV Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 

Robert Pate

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Israel was SCATTERED throughout the world. Please read the Bible before you make more of a fool out of yourself.

Isa 11:10-12 KJV And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. (11) And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. (12) And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

That is what Jesus was talking about here:

Mat 24:29-31 KJV Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Israel was not scattered until the persecutions began and Jerusalem was destroyed.
 

Derf

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Hello Right Divider...I know what you mean about lack of indentation....I write with indentations on word pad, but when I paste it on this site it jumbles everything...sorry.
By the way I appreciate your comments.

You might try a different text editor. In some you can even set up some interpretation of the different bbcode tags. I like Notepad++.
 

TrevorL

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Greetings again Right Divider,
The body of Christ did not even begin until YEARS later.
No, they were not. The body of Christ had not even come into existence yet.
The believers, both Jews and Gentiles, were the body of Christ and they were also the bride of Christ. John the Baptist speaks of Jesus as the bridegroom, and the disciples of John who had switched their full allegiance from John to Jesus were the bride of Christ.
John 3:26–30 (KJV): 26 And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. 27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven. 28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
These included four of John’s disciples, Andrew and Peter, James and John. Thus the Apostles were part of the bride of Christ, and the 3000 baptised at Pentecost joined the Apostle’s fellowship and also became part of the bride of Christ.
No, he hasn't. The day of Pentecost was a Jewish (Israelite) feast required by law. They were continuing with God's plans for Israel as described in prophecy.
There was a little bit more happening on this particular Day of Pentecost. A few weeks earlier Jesus had been crucified and died, he was buried but on the third day God raised him from the dead, and after forty days Jesus ascended to heaven to sit at the right hand of God. Jesus then sent forth the Holy Spirit on the Apostles, and then Peter addressed the assembled multitude to teach them about Jesus and his resurrection. Peter was not there to teach this multitude about the basics of the Day of Pentecost. There were 3000 that responded to Peter’s message, and they repented and were baptised in water, and then joined the Apostle’s fellowship, and thus became the body and the bride of Christ.
Was the church in the wilderness the body of Christ? No, it was Israel, just like the church at Pentecost.
No, Israel was at that time a separate entity, and as a whole the nation had rejected their Messiah. These new believers formed the Ekklesia, the body of Christ, the bride of Christ.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
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