A Saviour unto Israel

beloved57

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Scripture confirms that Israel is the Church, the Body of Christ. In the Old Testament Israel consisted of Saved jews and unsaved jews who shared the nation of israel. In other words Israel the saved people of God shared a unison with unsaved israel. Thats why Paul wrote in Rom 9:6

6 [FONT=&quot]Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel[saved the church], which are of Israel[unsaved the majority of the nation]:

Now lets look at Rom 11:24 Paul speaking of the inclusion of Gentiles into the Body of Saved Israel writes:

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24 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and[/FONT] wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree:[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The good olive tree is saved israel, the remnant of saved jews that constitute a remnant according to the election of grace Rom 11:5[/FONT]

5 [FONT=&quot]Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace[saved jews within the unsaved nation].

Now some elect gentiles were being grafted into the saved body of jews, the good olive tree Eph 3:6

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[FONT=&quot]That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the [/FONT]same body[saved Israel], and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

That was a mystery in times past, that the church, both saved jews and now saved gentiles make up saved Israel !
 

Nanja

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Scripture confirms that Israel is the Church, the Body of Christ. In the Old Testament Israel consisted of Saved jews and unsaved jews who shared the nation of israel. In other words Israel the saved people of God shared a unison with unsaved israel. Thats why Paul wrote in Rom 9:6

6 [FONT="]Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel[saved the church], which are of Israel[unsaved the majority of the nation]:

Now lets look at Rom 11:24 Paul speaking of the inclusion of Gentiles into the Body of Saved Israel writes:

[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B]24 [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][COLOR=#000000]For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and[/COLOR][/FONT][B] wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree:[/B][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][COLOR=#000000] how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?[/COLOR][/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][COLOR=#000000]The good olive tree is saved israel, the remnant of saved jews that constitute a remnant according to the election of grace Rom 11:5[/COLOR][/FONT]

[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial][B]5 [/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace[saved jews within the unsaved nation].

Now some elect gentiles were being grafted into the saved body of jews, the good olive tree Eph 3:6

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[FONT="]That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the [/FONT]same body[saved Israel], and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

That was a mystery in times past, that the church, both saved jews and now saved gentiles make up saved Israel !


Amen, this Blessed Mystery is revealed !

It's only the Israel Chosen of God to the Praise and Glory of His Grace Eph. 1:4-11, that is the Remnant according to the Election of Grace Rom. 11:5; comprised of saved jews and saved gentiles, according to God's own Purpose and Grace, which was given them in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9; the People He foreknew Rom. 11:1-2, and the Church Christ gave His Life for Eph. 5:25; which constitutes the Israel that was Promised Salvation Is. 45:17.
 

beloved57

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More scripture that validates that the church, the body of christ consisting of both jew and gentile believers is Israel [no not national israel] but saved israel, the people of God, is Eph 2:11-12

[FONT=&quot]11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]12 that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

This in now to imply that these saved believing gentiles are no longer aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, that is Gods saved People Israel. Has absolutely nothing to do with the physical nation of israel in the middle east.[/FONT]
 

Nanja

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More scripture that validates that the church, the body of christ consisting of both jew and gentile believers is Israel [no not national israel] but saved israel, the people of God, is Eph 2:11-12

[FONT="][FONT=Arial][B]11 [/B][/FONT]Wherefore remember, that ye [I]being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [/I][/FONT][/COLOR][I][COLOR=#000000][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="][FONT=Arial][B]12 [/B][/FONT]that at that time ye were without Christ, [B]being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel[/B], and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]

This in now to imply that these saved believing gentiles are no longer aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, that is Gods saved People Israel. Has absolutely nothing to do with the physical nation of israel in the middle east.[/FONT]


So true ! The commonwealth of the Israel of God's saved People, His Church / Body of Christ, never had anything to do with racial ethnicity or bloodline, but consists exclusively of a Spiritual People or Nation with a God-given circumcised Heart. It's only these born again ones John 3:7 which are reckoned by God as True Jews: Not born of blood, but born of the Spirit of God John 1:13.

Ezek. 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Ps. 73:1 Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart.

Phil. 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Rom. 2:28-29

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 

beloved57

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nanja

So true ! The commonwealth of the Israel of God's saved People, His Church / Body of Christ, never had anything to do with racial ethnicity or bloodline, but consists exclusively of a Spiritual People or Nation with a God-given circumcised Heart. It's only these born again ones John 3:7 which are reckoned by God as True Jews: Not born of blood, but born of the Spirit of God John 1:13.

Agreed. However we will admit that early on under the OT "The commonwealth of the Israel of God's saved People, His Church / Body of Christ" those Born of God" were mostly ethnic jews, a remnant according to the election of grace.
 

beloved57

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Gal 4:24-25 is very instructive

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.[/FONT]

25 [FONT=&quot]For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.[/FONT]

In this passage Paul is informing us that the nation of ethnic jews in general, the physical seed of Abraham and Sarah, are not Abrahams and Sarahs Blessed saved children of promise, but are the children of agar

Like agar and her son ishmael never were Gods chosen people , likewise the ethnic jews nation of israel, Abrahams children through the flesh, they were never Gods chosen people Israel, even though they thought themselves to be, as many deceived people in our day do believe that lie.
 

beloved57

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They shall not be heirs ! Gal 4:30

30 [FONT=&quot]Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

This further proves that israel nationally according to the flesh, who Paul identifies as the children of agar with her son, that they shall not be heirs, but cast out.

See when the writer of hebrews writes of being heirs together, Abraham, Issac, and Jacob in Heb 11:8-9

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[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

This didnt include the nation of israel jews, Abrahams physical seed, because again they are identified by Paul in Gal 4 as being children of agar the bond woman , who her and her son shall not be heirs Gal 4:30.[/FONT]
 

Nanja

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nanja



Agreed. However we will admit that early on under the OT "The commonwealth of the Israel of God's saved People, His Church / Body of Christ" those Born of God" were mostly ethnic jews, a remnant according to the election of grace.


Sure you right ! And TY for the reminder, Brother.
 

Nanja

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They shall not be heirs ! Gal 4:30

30 [FONT="]Nevertheless what saith the scripture? [B]Cast out the bondwoman and her son[/B]:[B] for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.[/B]

This further proves that israel nationally according to the flesh, who Paul identifies as the children of agar with her son, that they shall not be heirs, but cast out.

See when the writer of hebrews writes of being heirs together, Abraham, Issac, and Jacob in Heb 11:8-9

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[FONT="][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

This didnt include the nation of israel jews, Abrahams physical seed, because again they are identified by Paul in Gal 4 as being children of agar the bond woman , who her and her son shall not be heirs Gal 4:30.[/FONT]


Amen to both parts !

Agar and her children, Abraham's physical seed, are israel of the flesh and shall remain in spiritual bondage.

They shall not be heirs or partakers of the promises of the Israel of God Is. 45:17 as Abraham's Spiritual Seed / the Seed of Christ shall be Gal. 3:16, 29, which are born after the Spirit and Promised an Eternal Inheritance Eph. 1:11.

Rom. 9:7-8

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 

beloved57

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Amen to both parts !

Agar and her children, Abraham's physical seed, are israel of the flesh and shall remain in spiritual bondage.

They shall not be heirs or partakers of the promises of the Israel of God Is. 45:17 as Abraham's Spiritual Seed / the Seed of Christ shall be Gal. 3:16, 29, which are born after the Spirit and Promised an Eternal Inheritance Eph. 1:11.

Rom. 9:7-8

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Exactly!
 

Nanja

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The True Jews or Circumcision, Rejoice in Jesus Christ as Per Paul Phil 3:3

3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

This shall characterize all the True Seed of Abraham that God promised Him, for they will do as their Father did and as Paul pointed out Jn 8:56

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Yes, Abraham way back then, shared this in common with Paul and all True Jews, they rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, as these did whom John the Baptist spake to Matt 3:9

9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Most ethnic jews, unregenerate, as then, have confidence in the flesh, because of their ethnicity and being Abraham's seed according to the flesh, they think they belong to God based upon that, how foolish !

So foolish indeed, Brother !

Rom. 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 
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Nanja

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Romans 11:7

Romans 11:7

Rom 11:7

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election[Israel] hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

There is no plainer scripture in the NT that reveals that ethnic Israel as a ethnic nation was not God's Chosen People [Deut 7:6-7], remember Matt 22:14

For many are called, but few are chosen.

Paul had already in the epistle of Romans indicated that there were Two Israel's Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

And these are the same Two pointed out in Rom 11:7, for there was a purely ethnic Israel according to the flesh, but also an Israel that pertaineth to the Election or the Chosen Rom 11:7, which is an Election Israel in Christ. Now here in Rom 11:7, the Election of Grace Israel obtained something that the national Israel did not, but did seek after ! Now what was that ? It was redemption Lk 1:68

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

The discrepancy however is this, that almost all the Nation of Israel expected redemption in a earthly nationalistic sense, whereby the jewish people would be delivered from their physical enemies and given earthly dominance and glory as in the days of King Solomon ;[See Lk 24:21] but that was not the promised redemption hoped for nor promised to the Fathers and Abraham Lk 1:72-73

72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

No, the redemption was spiritual and had to do with Redemption from sin, and the forgiveness of sins, through the coming seed, the Person and Work of Jesus Christ, Abraham's Seed Gal 3:16. So the nation as a whole, saving the very small remnant of grace, which was also Israel Rom 9:6, failed to obtain that they sought after, But the Election Israel obtained it, evidenced by their Reception of Christ Jn 1:12. So in the Real sense and according to the Faith, Israel Elect did receive the Abrahamic Promises Lk 1:72-73


72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

And also according to the Faith, Israel national did not receive the Promises but was blinded ! So what has been established here is that there were Two Israel's, as it is today, so in Paul's Day, National Israel and Elect Israel or the Election or Paul's statement is absolutely meaningless ! Both Israel's in Rom 9:6 and Rom 11:7 cannot be God's Chosen People, there is only One Election !
Amen and articulately stated Brother !
 

Nanja

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Matt 21:43

Matt 21:43

What did Christ mean here in this verse Matt 21:43

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Who knows what Nation is Jesus speaking of here ? Is it the Church ? If this Nation is the Church, then what Kind of Nation is it ? Is it Spiritual or natural ? If it is the Church, then is it the seed of Abraham Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So what would be another name for a Spiritual Nation of the Seed of Abraham ? Israel !

Amen Brother !

The Body of Christ, His Church; Abraham's Spiritual Seed Gal. 3:29, whether Jew or Gentile, are they which comprise The Spiritual Nation Israel, the House of Jacob [God's Elect] 1 Chron. 16:13, that now brings forth fruit unto God.

Rom. 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God

Is. 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
 

beloved57

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Amen Brother !

The Body of Christ, His Church; Abraham's Spiritual Seed Gal. 3:29, whether Jew or Gentile, are they which comprise The Spiritual Nation Israel, the House of Jacob [God's Elect] 1 Chron. 16:13, that now brings forth fruit unto God.

Rom. 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God

Is. 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
Exactly Sister !
 

Nanja

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Church and Israel the same !

Church and Israel the same !

Eph 3:1-6

For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The Gospel , in case we have forgotten, is strictly related to Salvation. OT Scripture makes it quite Clear that God has promised to save Israel, and this Saving is in Christ, for Israel is the Only People God has promised to Save and to Justify, for instance Isa 45:25

In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

And True Faith believes God's Promise, which is here, All the Seed of Israel shall be Justified in the LORD, this is a Gospel Promise. Or that Israel shall be saved by the Lord Deut 33:29

29 Happy art thou, O Israel: who is like unto thee, O people saved by the Lord, the shield of thy help, and who is the sword of thy excellency! and thine enemies shall be found liars unto thee; and thou shalt tread upon their high places.

This also is a Gospel Promise Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.


Now, what Paul was called by Paul to do was elucidate the Mystery, which is, that These Salvation Promises to Israel, which are Gospel Promises for sure, that the Gentiles are fellowheirs, of the same body and partakers of those promises. Yes, some Gentiles partake of the Promise of God that Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting Salvation, which is Everlasting Life Jn 3:16 !

I know many will not acknowledge this Truth, but its True any how, and this confirms that Israel of the OT that was Promised Salvation, is the Church in the NT, and that fulfills their Everlasting Salvation through Christ or IN THE LORD !

Absolutely True Brother, for Christ is called Israel Is. 49:3 and His Body the Church is One with Him ; Chosen In Him Eph. 1:4.
 

Nanja

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God's definition of a True Jew !

God's definition of a True Jew !

As pertaining to the True Jews, those of that Seed that God made this Promise Deut 30:6


6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Now that Seed is revealed here in one of Paul's writings as the Apostle to the Gentiles Col 2:10-11

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Yes, Vs 11 here is part of the fulfillment of Deut 30:6, God's Elect Col 3:12

12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Yes, God was speaking to His same Elect in Deut 30:6

And we know that many of this Elect Seed here in Colossae were from the Gentiles, who did receive this heart circumcision Col 2:11 by this verse here Col 1:27

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

For it had been a Mystery that the Seed spoken of in Deut 30:6 would also include Gentiles. So the circumcision of the heart that God promised to this Seed Deut 30:6 is the Circumcision of Christ Col 2:11

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

This is Spiritual Circumcision made by the Effectual Virtue of the Death of Christ, yes it is accomplished by the Death of Christ, who is the Seed of Abraham Gal 3:16, and it is applied by the Spirit, in that the Risen Christ became a quickening Spirit 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Exactly Brother, it's only a True Jew, one who is of God's Elect Col. 3:12; Christ's Seed Deut. 30:6, that is given a new Circumcised Heart Col. 2:11;
1 Cor. 15:45 in New Birth that are of His Seed, and the True Spiritual Israel, Seed of Abraham Gal. 3:16, 29.

Rom. 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 

Nanja

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If Israel was not the Church, that People for whom Christ Loved and died, that is gave Himself for, then explain why Paul says this Per Acts 28:17-20

17 And it came to pass, that after three days Paul called the chief of the Jews together: and when they were come together, he said unto them, Men and brethren, though I have committed nothing against the people, or customs of our fathers, yet was I delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans.

18 Who, when they had examined me, would have let me go, because there was no cause of death in me.

19 But when the Jews spake against it, I was constrained to appeal unto Caesar; not that I had ought to accuse my nation of.

20 For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.

Now compare Col 1:23-27


23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Now lets compare some things from each passage. Paul speaks of the Hope of Israel in Acts 28:20, in the Colossae he speaks of the Hope of the Gospel and of Glory Col 1:23,27

23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

See Isa 46:13

I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

Lk 2:32

A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people

Paul speaks of His chains, which oft times denotes Physical suffering Acts 28:20


20 For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.

In Col 1 he speaks of of his suffering for the body's sake, the Church Col 1:24

24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

It is stated that Paul wrote this here epistle while in prison or chains in Rome !

Now these Two things alone are enough evidences that Paul identifies Israel, of the stated Hope Of Israel in Acts 28:20 and the Church, the body of Christ as and the Hope of Glory as the same ! Thats was the Mystery of Israel. Israel was not a single body of ethnic jews, its a spiritual body of both jews and gentiles together, Joined in their Head Christ !
Amen for sure Brother !
 

Nanja

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Wait to my Change Come !

Wait to my Change Come !

Who said the above ? Job 14:14

If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

Scholars believe that the book of Job may be the most ancient of the Divine oracles of scripture, in any case these words of the Man of God does reveal unto us that the OT Believers had the same hope showed them as the NT Believers, that of a Resurrection Change, that is Jobs Belief and Hope. It was David's Hope Ps 17:15

15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.

Its the SAME HOPE of Change Paul writes of here 1 Cor 15:51-52

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Phil 3:11,20-21

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.


20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

If perhaps there is any difference in what the OT Church believed and the NT Church, it would be the Mystery aspect Paul wrote of 1 Cor 15:51,52

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

That all believers will not experience Physical Death also known as Sleep, but they shall be alive and remaining when that Change does come, When Jehovah Jesus Returns ! This has always been the Hope of the Church, the Seed of Abraham, the Israel of God !

Amen, this is our Hope indeed, Brother !
 

Nanja

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Abraham's Seed as Heirs !

Abraham's Seed as Heirs !

Gal 3:29

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed [Israel], and heirs according to the promise.

Lets get it straight, whenever the terminology Abraham's Seed or its variation is used in scripture, its Israel ! No exceptions ! Isa 41:8

But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.

Abraham's Seed that were heirs of promise like here Heb 11:8-9

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

and as Per Gal 3:29 they were not his physical seed [Israel], no, not his physical and natural descendants, but his descendants only that were born to him in the manner of and typified by the birth of his natural son Isaac, for thats why Paul wrote to both believing Jews and Gentiles, this Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise[Israel]. Cp Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Heirs to the same Promise as Heb 11:8-9 !

Abraham was given a seed by God that was analogous unto Isaac's supernatural birth, which typified the New Birth of the Spirit [Gal 4:29] and so they become Children of Faith as their Father Abraham Gal 3:7

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

That is they were promised Children to Abraham, so they must follow in His footsteps of Faith Rom 4:12

And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

And so they become Children of faith and of Abraham as Isaac did, by God's Word of Promise and Power, and not by human freewill or effort. And this is God's Israel ! Which is also the Church, they which belong to Christ Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's[His Body the Church], then are ye Abraham's seed[Israel], and heirs according to the promise.
Amen Brother, excellent witness to the Truth of scripture **** !
 
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