If you're using Muslim countries, in this case Iran as a role model, we should look at the things that are illegal there as well:
Homosexuality, adultery, pornography, recreational drug use, etc.
Not much "liberty" in Iran is there?
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If you're using Muslim countries, in this case Iran as a role model, we should look at the things that are illegal there as well:
Homosexuality, adultery, pornography, recreational drug use, etc.
Not much "liberty" in Iran is there?
You're the one who brought up Iran, not me.
All things that should be illegal anywhere... So what's the problem.
This is a red herring.
The topic is murder, not "liberty."
Do you think people should have the liberty to murder?
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
If you're using Muslim countries, in this case Iran as a role model,
You posted a chart showing the lower crime rate in Iran...
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
we should look at the things that are illegal there as well:
Homosexuality, adultery, pornography, recreational drug use, etc.
The above constitute a culture of death. The problem is allowing immoral behavior and then thinking that capital punishment will solve society's problems.
If you're using Muslim countries, in this case Iran as a role model,
You posted a chart showing the lower crime rate in Iran...
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
we should look at the things that are illegal there as well:
Homosexuality, adultery, pornography, recreational drug use, etc.
The above constitute a culture of death. The problem is allowing immoral behavior and then thinking that capital punishment will solve society's problems.
Yes, in response to this post:
Like they do in Iran?
The point was that public executions correlate with lower murder rates.
The above crimes you bring up are a red herring to distract from the topic of the thread, which is murder.
As you were just shown, putting capital criminals to death publicly correlates with a lower murder rate.
Did God institute a culture of death in Israel when He required the death penalty murder?
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https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Iran/United-States/Crime
Iran is on the left, the US is on the right.
The death penalty is a deterrent.
Looks like it works
And as I've shown, in those {Muslim} countries that have public executions, things that attribute to the culture of death are illegal.
Was Texan Patrick Cruisus deterred by the threat of the death penalty in Texas when he murdered 22 people and injured 20 more in the El Paso Texas shooting?
A band aid over a cancer isn't the answer.
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No, because any deterrent effect the death penalty has is nullified when it is not carried out swiftly.
| Then Why Is the Death Penalty Not a Deterrent in America? God promises that the death penalty is a reliable deterrent: • "So you shall put away the evil from Israel. And all the people shall hear and fear, and no longer act presumptuously." Deut. 17:12-13 • "So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you." Deut. 13:11 Yet, the death penalty as executed through American courts is not much of a deterrent. Wise King Solomon 2,900 years ago explained why this is so: • Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. Eccl. 8:11 When a murderer is executed, three appeals and 12 years after his crime, society has largely forgotten about him. His death has almost no deterrent effect on crime. Further, a life sentence cannot be executed speedily. The swift death penalty deters crime and aids evangelism. Thus Christians, in obedience to God, should support the death penalty. |
http://kgov.com/death-penalty
Correct, just like putting a child in timeout doesn't correct his attitude, so too putting adults in prison (which is just timeout for adults) doesn't deter crime.
The death penalty is a full-on surgery to remove the cancer.
Why would he be?
Excellent post.
If we look at the total number of murders in Texas just in the year 2016, the last year on the graph showing executions, we see that there were 5.3 murders for every 100,000 people. As the total population of Texas at that point in time was 27,862,596 if we divide the total population by 100,000 and then multiply that number by 5.3 we get the number 1,476. That's 1476 murders in Texas in 2016. If we divide the number of executions in 2016, 7, by the total number of murders we get the number 0.0047. In other words, the chance of a murderer being caught, tried, and executed in Texas in 2016 is 0.47%.
A murderer there has less than a 1/2 of 1% chance of being executed in Texas for his crime. And that is supposed to be a deterrent to murder?
| the following link has the crime statistics for Texas from 1960 through 2016. |
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm
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Immoral behavior like allowing murderers to escape justice?
'cause that's the immoral behavior we are arguing against (and you appear to be arguing for)
It would be nice to see a direct answer to this direct question
Instead, I expect avoidance or equivocation
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Or we could look at the scheduled executions in Texas for the latter part of 2019.
https://www.tdcj.texas.gov/death_row/dr_scheduled_executions.html
12 scheduled executions in the next 4 1/2 months. Evidently that wasn't a deterrent to a Texan who murdered 22 people and injured/attempted to murder 20 more in El Paso Texas just over a week ago.
Also keep in mind the threat of immediate death. Patrick Cruisus wasn't deterred by the thought that responding police officers very well might have shot him to death.
Originally Posted by JudgeRightly
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Did God institute a culture of death in Israel when He required the death penalty murder?
What kind of answer would you like? How about that the Jewish people embraced a culture of life instead of death? Or if you like we can talk about how the Romans carried out the penalty of death, not the Jews.
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Did God institute a culture of death in Israel when He required the death penalty murder?
What kind of answer would you like? How about that the Jewish people embraced a culture of life instead of death? Or if you like we can talk about how the Romans carried out the penalty of death, not the Jews.
When were they convicted?
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
12 scheduled executions in the next 4 1/2 months.
More than 1 month ago. It has to do with the appeal process (which evidently the creator of this thread doesn't believe in).
Now back to the threat of immediate death (police officers shooting a mass murderer to death during his rampage).
Why isn't that a deterrent?
12 scheduled executions in the next 4 1/2 months.
More than 1 month ago. It has to do with the appeal process (which evidently the creator of this thread doesn't believe in).
Now back to the threat of immediate death (police officers shooting a mass murderer to death during his rampage).
Why isn't that a deterrent?
Because most criminals aren't very bright?
Quote: Originally posted by aCulureWarrior
Now back to the threat of immediate death (police officers shooting a mass murderer to death during his rampage).
Why isn't that a deterrent?
Because when you live in a culture of death, death isn't feared.
The death penalty is only a deterrent in a society that values life.
Now back to the threat of immediate death (police officers shooting a mass murderer to death during his rampage).
Why isn't that a deterrent?
Because when you live in a culture of death, death isn't feared.
The death penalty is only a deterrent in a society that values life.
Could you give me an average amount of time from the time they were sentenced to the time they will be executed?
In a society where you're more likely to be killed out on the street because criminals aren't punished than executed for a crime you've committed, it's no wonder we have a culture of death. It's full of it.
We have a culture of death right now. Not justice.
Maybe so. I was a scout leader at a camp set up for kids from really bad neighborhoods. One told me that he didn't expect to live much longer than 20. Most of the young guys from his neighborhood were in prison or dead by 30, he said.
I was hoping he was exaggerating.