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Because it's not in the future that the point exists. It's the present. Indeed I am. Time flows into the past from the present. The future doesn't exist yet, never will. Never said he did. But He DOES exist in the present. <------------------------------------------------------*...

No, you did not. You answered a question about something that isn't in dispute, but not what I asked you. When does a man die spiritually, since he is not dead from the womb? It has nothing to do with whether I accept it, because "it" hasn't been provided yet, "it" being the answer to my...

No, you didn't answer the question. WHEN does a man die spiritually? Because man is not dead at birth, so he must be alive at least for a little bit after birth, no? "In Adam" is not "when." It's "where," it means "in the flesh."

Is a location. Not a point in someone's lifetime. When does someone die spiritually, because they're not dead from birth? Yes, we agree. You're still trying to answer "did all die?" and not "when did all die?" Answer the latter please, because we agree on the answer to the former.

First, I'd like to point out that heaven is where God "lives." Second, I will direct your attention to https://opentheism.org/verses#28, which deals directly with the topic of time in heaven, and point out that the idea of an "eternal now" does not exist in the Bible, but rather that those...

Supra, therefore the question has not been answered. WHEN did they die? "In Adam" is a location, not a point in a person's life. At what point after a person's birth does someone die spiritually?

The contention is that if man is not dead at birth, then he can't have always been dead. THEREFORE: When does a man die spiritually, since he's not dead from birth (which the Bible doesn't teach) Suggestion: All die in Adam because all are descendants of Adam. However, when one is crucified...

Yes, we agree. When does a man become spiritually dead? It can't be before he's born, because scripture doesn't teach that. But you acknowledged that scripture doesn't say that. So why are you promoting a belief that cannot be gleaned from scripture? Christ died and took Adam's place, and...

... completely arbitrarily. That's what you believe. But it's not supported by scripture. God says otherwise, that a man shall be saved if he confesses with his mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believes in his heart that God has raised him from the dead (Romans 10:9). God says he is willing...

Then at the very least, thank you for admitting that your claim is not in the Bible. The first question remains: So if man is not spiritually dead from birth, but he IS spiritually dead, then at what point does he become spiritually dead? A second question now is, "Why do you promote a belief...

What you said was false, according to the very scripture you yourself posted. Where have I ever said otherwise?

Dr. Flowers was talking about what happens when calvinists are consistent in their calvinism in this video.

Thank you for finally retracting your claim that man is spiritually dead from birth. I agree, with the caveat that only fallen man is spiritually dead. So if man is not spiritually dead from birth, but he IS spiritually dead, then at what point does he become spiritually dead?

False. That's not what the verse says. It says: Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. - Hebrews 7:25 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews7:25&version=NKJV He is able to save...

It appears that neither @Nanja nor @beloved57 is intellectually honest enough to acknowledge that the Bible does not say what B57 said, which is that: Because the Bible does not say that man comes out of the womb spiritually dead, everything else that @beloved57 and @Nanja posts that has that...

Who does he "save to the uttermost"? Them . . . that come unto God by Him. How does one come? By the preaching of the gospel. Those who DON'T come won't be saved to the uttermost, not because they weren't chosen arbitrarily before the foundation of the world, but because they refused to come...

Just because it's the same word doesn't mean that it's talking about the same thing.

Bob mentioned the Guardian article on the show yesterday.

https://kgov.com/bel/20210817

Babies make noises with their mouths, so I imagine it has something to do with that? Not sure, otherwise.