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No, Dave, that is the logical conclusion. What you are suggesting is commonly known as a "rescue device." Dave, how often have you looked out to the horizon at night and been able to see stars directly above the horizon. If what you are saying is true, then we SHOULD NOT BE ABLE to see those...

Dave, quick question, did you say you had a Nikon P900?

Pretty sure that was sarcasm...

Already been addressed.

Everything in that image HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE NONSENSE in both this thread and the original FE thread. "Proof by assertion," also known as "proof by repeated assertion," is a logical fallacy, Dave. It's where something is repeatedly stated regardless of contradiction...

None of the above are needed to explain a globe earth, so there's that. Gravity is what keeps the spherical earth a spheroid. Which is more of a conspiracy theory than an origins theory. Patrick, would you watch this for me? The Global Flood and Hydroplate Theory 3h 9m 23s...

Try using this image instead for the second half of your image.

Your attachment is broken, just so you know.

Because He did not. Did God create darkness? OR did darkness come into existence by God creating light? In the same way, "math" is a result of God creating the universe. And you didn't think that "math" includes formal mathematics, etc? Come on, Daqq. Use your head a bit. Ad hominem...

I'll let someone else deal with those idiotic images. Try thinking for once, PJ. http://www.zamandayolculuk.com/html-3/apollo11mission.htm

No, Dave, it's not. And allow me to correct myself: empirical evidence, not data.

Woodshed thread: http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?128917-Infraction-for-patrick-jane-Posting-Spam Note: the above link is for subscribers only.

See the FE Part 2 thread, where I tagged Sherman.

Empirical data is better proof than "my eyes tell me that the horizon is eye level." Use a camera.

For this experiment, you do. Use a camera.

Do this:

Using a cartoon to prove your point doesn't work, Dave. I can prove to you, or rather, you can show yourself, that the horizon is not at eye level. Set up your camera, make sure the camera and the pivot point of whatever stand you use is completely level. Now, look through your camera lens and...

All animals look downward at the ground. Man is the only creature to naturally look above the horizon.

No, Dave, it's not at eye level. It's the distance from your feet to your eyes, plus however high up you are, below you.

Try http://kgov.com/360. Wait, do you mean that the earth's spin is along the same plane as it's orbit around the sun?