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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Okay 1:00 UCT from my back yard (click the image to see it full sized)... Notice that I have the camera pointed very nearly at the real horizon rather than at the tree tops in the distance. The app I was using shows the position of the Sun when I took the photo which was just -.2 degrees...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    One more suggestion... Again, if you're using an iPhone, you can download an app called Spyglass. Its a compass app that allows you to take screen shots that look like this... It has all the data on the image, including the exact time and precise directional heading and location. That way...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    If you have an iPhone, the clock app on the home screen will tell you what time it is UTC. Here in Texas, we're 5 hours behind UTC which means 01:00 UTC is 20:00 CDT here. Knight, would you prefer the camera oriented vertically or horizontally? (I'll take one both ways.) Also, for...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Quite right! There NO WAY that the Sun or Moon should ever even appear to be larger on the horizon if the flat earth silliness is true.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    No, the Sun was not huge. It may have seemed huge to you but it was precisely - PRECISELY - the same size in the sky as it always is. Same goes for the Moon. It does not change size when closer to the horizon - period. The reason it seems otherwise occasionally is because, when it is closer to...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Oh, I know that the connections you're making aren't actually vague and disparate but that is Patrick's accusation against you, isn't it? I'm just pointing out the irony of a conspiracy theory lunatic objecting to something on the basis of, "For the life of me I can't see how your mind makes...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    So, if I'm following this correctly, Patrick, Mr. Conspiracy Theory himself, is objecting to your making vague and unsubstantial connections between things that would, in the mind of a rational person, be disparate and unrelated. Have I got that right?
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    How we know the distance between the Earth and the Sun (and by extention, the size of Earth's orbit and it's average orbital speed)... http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/41-our-solar-system/the-earth/orbit/87-how-do-you-measure-the-distance-between-earth-and-the-sun-intermediate
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    So, is the contention then that the conspiracy can only be as old as Empirical measurements (e.g. inches, feet, miles, etc.) have been in common use? I don't remember Eratosthenes being English? :confused: Oh and, by the way, the Earth doesn't tilt at anything close to 66.6° and never has...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Here is the math for the curvature of the Earth with far more precise (i.e. less rounded) numbers. The Earth's equatorial radius (r) is 3963.2 miles, based on numbers from Wikipedia. This gives a circumference (c) of c = 2 * π (3.14159265359) * r (3963.2) = 24901.520009415776 mi We wish to...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Okay. I am sorry that I "flamed out" as you put it. I wish I had deleted that post before Patrick had a chance to quote it. I'll do the experiment eventually. When I do, I'll post the results here but I'm not reading another syllable of Patrick's posts. They're far worse than anything Dave...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I'm done with this! I've asked a few people to help me with that experiment and if they agree (which I doubt) then I'll go ahead and do it but I now no longer care anything about it. You all can waste you time discussing this all you like but I've read the last syllable of this insanity that I...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Here's an updated Google Earth screen shot with the new calibration shot locations...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I just now realized that I can't trust the level of the sidewalks on my calibration shots. I'll have to move Calibration 1 and Calibration 2 onto the surface of the water rather than taking them from the nice firm sidewalks like I was originally thinking. That'll make the calibration more...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    They have. It's not super common but it's done from time to time by high school science classes. They aren't attempting to prove the Earth isn't flat, they're trying to measure the circumference of the Earth but the procedure is exactly that same. I submit that you know of no such thing. You've...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Patrick, Seriously, would my measuring anything significantly departed from a zero drop in the surface of a continuous body of water over a distance of 1.3 miles be sufficient to prove to you that the Earth is not flat? I explained the math involved in post #1294, in case you missed it. Clete
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Nice link! I understand why the thought experiment was done on the equinox but the experiment will work on any day. If a person wants to prove to themselves that the Earth was not flat, all he would have to do is put a stick in the ground (it would need to be a flat and level piece of ground...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Me too! I am have a very difficult time finding anyone willing to help me do it. You can't believe (or maybe you can) the goofy looks and laughter I get in response to even bring it up, never mind asking people to help me make the measurement. Even my own kids make fun of me and tell me that you...
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