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That would qualify as a presupposition that I am making a presupposition. That is not a rational argument, David! If I have made a question begging error then tell me what it is. I wrote the post. I made the argument and I know what went into making it. I didn't assume anything other than the...

Dave, I need to clarify something. When I said the distance to the Sun was not relevant, that was slightly incorrect. It is relevant to each individual calculation in my proof that the Earth cannot be flat but it is not relevant in the refutation of the argument because... Based on the data we...

Perspective is not relevant to the argument and it is 1000% total proof that the Earth CANNOT be flat - period. There are two and only two avenues of attack against the argument. You can challenge the veracity of the data we (i.e. people participating in this thread) collected. You can...

Not one single word of this is at all relevant to the argument, David. I am really starting to think that you are in fact stupid. I don't care how far away the FET thinks the Sun is! It can't be two different distances away at the same time, you blithering idiot!

Proof That the Earth Cannot Be Flat The last few days I've been playing around with some math and thought I'd post some of it here to see if it might move some of the flat earthers maybe an inch or two back toward reality... Let's put some of the sunset images we've taken to good use and see...

Irrelevant. Unresponsive. And it would be an argument from silence if it were relevant anyway. We know that He did not but you statement that he would have is conjecture and frankly stupid. You are arguing that the bible is false. THE WORLD IS NOT FLAT! This is not a mere claim. I have...

Nice. Is this you're way of not responding to the argument? Why do you think that it's alright to waste my time? I do not dispute history. It's prehistory that I doubt you know anything about. You simply don't have any idea whether Adam or Abel or Methuselah or a million other prehistoric...

I interpret it literally too, David. But I'm smart enough to understand that there is more than one way to do that. There is exactly NOTHING about the fact that the Earth orbits the Sun that contradicts a literal interpretation of Genesis or any other option of the Bible.

Yeah, so what? This is false. Given the known and undisputed data, math PROVES that the Earth cannot be flat. Therefore the flat-Earth "cosmology" is falsified. This is an unsubstantiated primary premise that I dispute. The fact that the Sun is given a different word than the rest of the...

You really need to stop this, David. You simply don't have any idea what you're talking about and you are actively undermining the Bible and with it, the entire Christian faith.

No. I'm not sure what that article is about but atmospheric effects on the apparent size of the Moon (and other bodies) actually causes it to look very very slightly smaller and flatter than it is. This, by the way, is counter intuitive because of the optical illusion that causes our brains to...

This is an over reaction and, I think, presents a false dichotomy. No one here denies the literal truth of Genesis. The point is that there is nothing in the Genesis creation account that contradicts reality. And whether you want to believe it or not, the reality is that the Earth very...

As I have explained over and over again, it isn't merely the fact that you have doubts. It is that you systematically and consistently refuse to accept the verdict of sound reason and compelling proof that the Earth cannot be flat. You are stubbornly clinging to what has been known to be false...

A question that has been directly answered more than once. The Moon is, in fact, slightly smaller at the horizon than it is at it's zenith. If m is the distance between the center of the Earth and the Moon, and r is the radius of the Earth then when the moon is overhead, its distance from you...

Look Dave, If you want to claim that all this is some sort of role that you're playing then take my insulting attitude as a compliment to your acting skills because unless and until you start acting like a rational human being, I'll not stop treating you like a lying moron. No problem.

This is not the first time I've done so. When I wasted my time doing it before, it was like shooting spit balls at a battleship when it came to convincing you of anything. This post of yours is just proof, once again, that you're lying to all of us and have no interest at all in being convinced...

Incidentally, Mt. San Jacinto is visible just above the horizon in the Google Earth image I posted. Here it is again, with a red circle around the peak of the mountain that this idiot claims to be videoing in infrared...

Exactly. See how the foreground is just black. That's because there is no way to properly expose both the foreground and the Moon. If the foreground isn't underexposed, the Moon will be over exposed. That's how you can know that the photo you posted with the clearly seen mountain in the...

Okay, because I know Dave will never do it. I've taken it upon myself to do what I suggested he do in my last post. Here goes nothin'.... Everyone go to the 10:00 minute mark on the video that Dave posted in post #2842 There you will see a mountain looming above the city of Santa Monica, CA...

No, no, no, no, NO! David, if the mountain was the only thing in the picture, you might have a point but it isn't. That lying conman who made the video shows the skyline of a city in the foreground with the mountain looming above it from multiple times as far away. Besides, it's a spotting...