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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    You were good up to this point. If you actually believe this and aren't just repeating something you heard on one of those idiotic YouTube videos, then you need to reinvestigate the Michelson Morley experiment because you are flatly wrong about it. It did not prove that the Earth was not moving...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    All of this has been addressed over and over again. We know how far away the Sun is. We've known for hundreds of years basically how far away the Moon is and now we know within less than an inch how far away the Moon is. Aristotle said that what is now known to us as Halley's Comet was some...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    You just cannot be this stupid. The Moon has a whole hell of a lot further to go, David! The distance the Moon travels in one orbit, ignoring a lot of variables that not relevant to this particular discussion, is just about 1.5 million miles. Take the average orbital speed of the Moon and...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I haven't ignored it. I've directly refuted it. It doesn't circle the Earth faster than the rotation of the Earth. It orbits the Earth at about 1/30th of the rotational speed of the Earth. That is to say that it takes about thirty rations of the Earth for the Moon to complete one orbit around...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Saying it doesn't make it so. Of course it does. It just the differences in apparent speed aren't as big as you want them to be. If this were so, I could not make the predictions that I've made. The software I used to get the information is all based on a globe Moon orbiting a globe Earth...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Actually, this is precisely what we do see.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    You're waiting for an argument that explains a phenomenon that does not exist. The reason they are called planets in the first place is precisely because they do not move in unison with the stars. The reason you go outside in the evening during the summer and see the constellations of Scorpio...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I vow to never watch another video posted that has anything to do with showing that the Earth is flat. Not one second of one single more video. I will not watch them. I will not discuss them. I am done with flat earth videos - forever - period.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Every single time I play one these videos, it proves to be a waste of time! How in the world can these videos convince anyone of anything other than that Flat Earthers are the stupidest people alive? That video doesn't even show the Sun at all! It shows a boat vanishing from the bottom up into...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Dave, Imagine you are standing directly underneath a basketball hoop (or some other object), which is 10 feet off the ground. The hoop would be at 90° above your horizon. Now imagine that I am looking at the same hoop but it is 33.2° up from my horizon. That puts you at point C and me at...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Measuring the angle of the Sun is not something that can be changed in the way you are suggesting. It's just a simple measurement of the angle of the Sun above the horizon. It changes constantly. At sunrise and sunset the Sun is at 0° above the horizon. At Noon, it's be something closer to 90°...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Dave, So, yesterday I did some math using the angle of the Sun and Moon above the horizon and the distances between my location and the locations on the Earth directly below the Sun and Moon. I'm hoping that it is clear how my location, the subsolar point and the Sun itself create a right...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    I used an app on my iPhone called Spyglass. It's basically a fancy compass that I use every day because I need to know the direction the house I'm inspecting is facing and the compass app that comes with the phone is weak. It uses the accelerometers and other orientation gadgets that are built...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    It is now 5:30:00 pm Central time (10:30:00 UTC) and the Sun is 33.2° above my horizon and the subsolar point is at 15,9°N 156,2°W The Moon is 4.4° above my horizon and the sunlunar point is at 20,8°N 167,2°E The distance from my house to the subsolar point is 3937.31 miles. The distance from...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Currently it is 4:30:00 pm Central time (9:30:00 UTC) and the Sun is 46.1° above my horizon and the subsolar point is at 16,0°N 141,1°W The Moon is 16.2° above my horizon and the sunlunar point is at 20,8°N 178,4°W The distance from my house to the subsolar point is 3033.21 miles. The...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Okay, well so far the observations are fighting me. First I had to work when I thought I would have the afternoon off and now that I'm off it's overcast with thunderstorms and lightning all over the place. However, I can still use this same app to get the elevation of the Sun above the horizon...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    FYI: It turns out that I had to work this afternoon and wasn’t able to make the observations I wanted make starting at noon central time. I’ll be finished in time to make some observations starting at about 4:00pm central time. Clete
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    Dave, As I said in the my last post, it seems you are confused about what points are creating the right triangle that I'm talking about in my argument. I have something you can do that should clear up your confusion on this. Go to THIS website. It's a site that simply plots the position on...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    How is it backwards? You're thinking of the wrong triangle. Read the following very carefully... It isn't backwards. And the argument isn't dependent on which direction the triangle is drawn anyway. Draw it the other way around if you want. The difference is equivalent to one being a sunrise...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

    It IS NOT relevant to the argument I have made! No one has denied the ability to see all the way to the Sun in both those photos and so how is "how far we can see into the distance across a plane" relevant to the argument? All we did is measure the angle from the horizon to the Sun at near...
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