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  1. Clete

    The long nightmare has ended. Trump leaves the White House

    Gullible moron! There is no such thing as a real Trump supporter that would say or do anything of the sort. The right wants to persuade you by engaging your mind. They aren't interested in forcing you to act as if they're right and their instinct is the opposite of hanging their political...
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    The long nightmare has ended. Trump leaves the White House

    As if there was ever any question that he was going to do anything else. Complete delusional stupidity!
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    The long nightmare has ended. Trump leaves the White House

    The last four plus years of the totally lunatic derangement that the left has displayed concerning Trump as well as the total over reaction to Covid-19 during 2020 reminds me of a book I read years ago called, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay. It's an...
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    Constitutional Monarchy

    Those saved under the dispensation of grace are no longer under God's law nor even sin itself and absolutely will not receive any punishment whatsoever for anything. That, however, is only true because the punishment we deserve has already been suffered by Christ. With that singular exception...
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    Constitutional Monarchy

    I would say that this seems like a false dichotomy. Your premise here is that we need to have a king who is above the law in order to teach people that God exists and that all of creation, including the king, will stand before Him on judgment day. I don't believe that is the case at all. We...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    I'm not sure what you think you're trying to pull here. Not only is the entire thread is still here for the world to see, Derf, but our discussion doesn't yet take up thirty posts of this thread. You have not posted one single link to anything in any response to me. You've posted an @ Hilltrot...
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    Constitutional Monarchy

    Quite so! That's precisely what I think would be a wise thing to do before getting started on rolling dice. I'm saying to make random selection from a pool of qualified people rather than from the whole population.
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    WHAT? I didn't translate the bible! Every translation of the bible I've ever read says that Jesus promised the criminal hanging next to Him that they would be together in Paradise that very day. At bottom, I have the plain reading of pretty nearly any bible you want to quote and you have your...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    It's proof because the only reason that term exists in Christian doctrine is because Jesus Himself told one of the criminals hanging next to Him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” (Luke 23:43) That sounds like proof to me! How much more proof do you need? If you...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    Well, once again, I am taught the lesson of never giving anyone a compliment. I mention your ability to think and the next thing you post is all but absolute proof that you try you best not to do so. The fist half of this post was written before you had ever read the post through and so is...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    It depends on what you mean by "die". I disagree. Had He not intentionally laid down His life, He would never have died at all. His body was so devoid of the curse that His body didn't even decay while He was in the grave. There's no evidence that He would have ever experience the geriatric...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    Of course this is true as we have not yet arrived at the day of redemption. (Philippians 3:12-14, Ephesian 4:30 ) That would depend on what is meant by "perfect", wouldn't it? The fact is that we were created with immortality in mind and so I doubt very much that there is any such potential...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    Whats so hard to understand about it? There was a time when God was Spirit only and then Jesus was conceived in Mary's womb and God became flesh and took on a nature that was not only physical but human. Then He died and was resurrected with a glorified (i.e. perfect and immortal) body which...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    Not the Son of God? Who else would He be? Who else could He be? Who does @Hilltrot say it is? John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 John bore witness of Him and cried out...
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    That's a great line! :chuckle:
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    It seems like we're mostly in agreement. Is there something in particular that you think we disagree on regarding John 1 or the divinity of Jesus Christ?
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    My Problem with Creation Science

    (y) Oh well, I agree with that for sure. Half an hour on this website alone would provide all the proof of that anyone would ever need. That doesn't make it something other than philosophical though. Like with any line of thinking, we are susceptible to error at any point along the line. In...
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    On the omniscience of God

    Okay. I see. Welcome to my ignore list. There should be some sort of marker so that I don't have to waste a week discussing anything important with lunatics.
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    What is Jesus saying here?

    The problem with this notion is that John chapter one very clearly teaches all the above! It explicitly states that "Logos was with God" (logos ēn pros theos) and that "Logos was God" (logos ēn theos) and that Logos became flesh (Logos ginomai sarx). You seem to be imposing a contradiction...
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    My Problem with Creation Science

    You keep saying things that could mean more than one thing and that I agree with if you mean it one way and that I disagree with if you mean it another way. I want to avoid talking past one another and so can you unpack that sentence some for me? How would what you're saying there manifest...
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