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  1. Clete

    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    My statement, if not taken in the way I meant it, could be considered an overstatement. Yes, of course, Jesus (God) loved (loves) His neighbor as He loved (loves) Himself. The question then becomes what does that qualifier mean? Why, and in what way, does God love Himself? That is a question...
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    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    What? No! God does not love each and every one of us as He loves Himself. That isn't even close to being biblical. There's a whole list of people God hates! And I'm not kidding! There's a lot of people that God truly despises! Of course, love and hate are not the mutually exclusive things...
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    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    If so, its only because I've had good teachers. Responsibility? To whom? Would it have been unjust for God to kill Adam and Eve? I don't see how. The fact that God loved Adam and Eve and was able to see the benefit of saving the human race is what made the cost of doing so worth paying. God's...
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    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    One thing that should be kept in mind here is that we don't really know that the test was "so innocuous" as you suggest or as the scant details we are given in Genesis might lead one to believe. In other words, there may have been a great deal more discussion between the Lord and Adam about this...
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    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    How amazing a place would TOL be if even half the people here had this sort of attitude! Understanding that freedom of the will is a real thing and that people, including God, have real choices to make not only allows us to relate to God in a much more meaningful way but it just makes the whole...
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    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    Who, besides Aristotle and Plato says that God knew those things in advance? Not the bible! He planned for them to be sure but KNEW in advance, definitely not.
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    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    In a single sentence... Love is wisely acting in the best interest of others. Whether it is a simply act of kindness or the forfeiture of your physical life, it is the fact that the action was taken in the best interest of another person that makes it an act of love. However, I say "wisely"...
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    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    What is hard for you is not so hard for God. Exactly! So why do you answer your own question? Not really. I'm mean, sure, its completely amazing and worthwhile to ponder and stand in awe of but is it really that hard to comprehend that a God who is Love itself is capable of such an act...
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    Are you Going to Heaven?

    Well, I give you high marks for having a firm understanding of what you believe, why you believe it and the ability to articulate it. I won't debate this here just so as to avoid "leaving the conversation at hand" as you put it. I'll simply say that at first blush, it seems to me that you'd have...
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    Are you Going to Heaven?

    You're as dogmatic as someone I once knew here on TOL with a very similar user name only he made as many actual argument as he did bald claims and responded to my arguments with actual counter arguments rather than simply repeating his position as though I had said nothing.
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    Could there be a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God?

    The question answers itself. Oh brother! Here we go! It would have been nice had you done some thinking before putting this particular collection of words together. There was no vast empty void of space until God created it. Just sayin'.. NO! God COULD NOT love us more than He loves Himself...
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    Are you Going to Heaven?

    Wow! So you believe that almost no modern Christian is saved. The whole of the Baptist denomination is accursed as well as pretty much every other sect of Christianity that exists. Paul, in Galatians, is not talking about their salvation but of their walk... Galatians 3:3 Are you so foolish...
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    Constitutional Monarchy

    All systems will have flaws, yes, but the system being discussed here wasn't proposed lightly. Israel didn't really demand much of a move. It was not a fundamental change in the form of government, it was merely the installation of a king to preside over the system they already had. The reason...
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    The long nightmare has ended. Trump leaves the White House

    No, of course they weren't. The attacks, such as actually existed, were instigated by people who have admitted that they are members of ANTIFA but you wouldn't know that because you get your "news" from propaganda sources.
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    The long nightmare has ended. Trump leaves the White House

    Hopeless. How do you combat a whole society that is this convinced that lies are the truth? You can't. For now, the right has lost and it will continue to lose unless and until we get to a place were we aren't willing to allow the left to lie and cheat, which will never happen in our lifetimes.
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    Constitutional Monarchy

    Saying it doesn't make it so. A little leavin leavins the whole lump. We started the U.S. with about 1/6th of the government being democratically elected by the people. The House of Representatives was the only half of one of the three branches of government that had its members elected by...
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    Constitutional Monarchy

    Well, its not quite that but your point is well taken! Almost any form of government is superior to one where the majority can trample the rights of any minority it chooses.
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    My Problem with Creation Science

    You keep riding the fence. Do you accept that they are, in essence, the same thing or don't you? You start by effectively acknowledging that they are and then trying to hedge your position but your hedge only restates what I've already said which is that the only difference between science and...
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    My Problem with Creation Science

    This whole statement betrays a woeful ignorance of the biblical material There is nothing that suggests that the Earth was created a solid hunk of rock and there is absolutely nothing in the text of Genesis that is the least bit "inconsistent with dinosaurs being excluded from..." Noah's Ark...
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    Constitutional Monarchy

    The rule of law is NOT a democratic institution and a constitutional monarchy is anything but democratic. Indeed, a central premise of the proposed form of government is precisely about eliminating democracy altogether. Democracy is corrosive to justice and the rule of law. Authority does not...
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