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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    No, I'd rather stay in my opinion without ever considering the other side. I am the sole determiner of truth. Even if I'm wrong, I just tell people to go read some more until they either stop bothering me or they accept what I'm saying as truth. You're my inspiration, Dave!
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    The first part of your statement is true--no one can go very far into Antarctica! That's because you can only go so far before you start going back out the other side. And you can only go so far south before you are going north again. Funny how those two things seem to go together. But...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    If we can't talk about one of the evidences, how can we talk about any of them. If ice walls somehow indicate an unreachable land of unknown size, then we must have many of those around the world--the unreachable lands, that is. But if one can go a few miles or even a few hundred miles, if...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    So you are saying that you've already argued out the fake picture of the ice wall? And you're still using it? That's even more shameful. Can you acknowledge that your picture was fake and the ramifications of using fake data to try to disprove someone else's supposedly fake data? Shall I help...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Actually, they are. You have presented two simple facts that the earth is flat and the moon landings were faked. One of the evidences you give for a flat earth was faked. You should at least question at this point which party is feeding you inaccurate information. Since I have shown that the...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    I started one here: http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?124410-Joshua-s-Long-Day-Does-it-mandate-a-Geocentric-Cosmology I'm hoping to add some stuff to it a little later, but I have other pressing things to do first.
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    ECT Joshua's Long Day--Does it mandate a Geocentric Cosmology?

    This was lifted from another thread (about flat earth and fake moon landings) where it didn't really fit the topic. Ask Mr. Religion, always a good source for biblical information, brought up that the passage in Joshua 10 about the sun standing still can only refer to a geocentric...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    In fact, your second ice wall image is a photograph by Mike Theiss. You can see his copyright marking in the corner. Go here to see a non-cropped version of it (for sale, even!). (And check out other pictures by Mike Theiss--they're stunning.)...
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    These are in the Arctic as well. Sometimes we fly over them, just as people have flown over the Antarctic. Does it bother you that nobody really knows what's on the other side of the ice wall, despite it being a rather easy task to fly over it?
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Sorry, I missed that one--you usually explain yourself so much better. But I think I added something important, as the northern hemisphere Great Circle routes always bend north, which, though the scale is off the closer you get to the equator, is also what the flat earth map would predict.
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    Sure there is: "stand still" is an anthropomorphism. And we know those never refer to actual reality!
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    The earth is flat and we never went to the moon

    DFT_Dave, Have you looked into Great Circle distances? Great Circle distances are used by pilots all the time to reduce flight times. In plane geometry, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. So if I wanted to go from Los Angeles to New York, I could spread a map on a...
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    Theology Club: How could God truthfully threaten to "consume" the Israelites in Ex 32:10?

    From a conversation with Jerry Shugart (here), there was a disagreement about whether God was really threatening to destroy Israel and raise up a nation from Moses, or if it was an idle threat just as a test of Moses. Here's the passage (with the primary verses for this conversation...
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    What will our resurrected bodies be like according to the bible?

    I'm looking for what people think about our resurrected bodies. I'm a bit argumentative at times, but I will try to refrain a bit here. I mainly would like to hear opinions and I would like to know the biblical basis of your opinion.
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    Theology Club: How God might have raised up Cyrus (ref Is 44:28 and 45:1)

    One of the arguments against Open Theism is the section of Isaiah that deals with Cyrus--even naming him by name as the chosen vehicle for rescuing God's people. The argument goes like this (from Bruce Ware as quoted by http://www.gfcto.com/articles/theological-issues/isaiah-40-48--open-theism)...
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    Theology Club: Open Theism Destroys Arminianism??

    I should probably apologize up front for this,--for asking a question that's already answered elsewhere, but I couldn't find it. I read once, from a Calvinist, that one good thing that has come from Open Theism is that it destroys Arminianism. My questions are: Who said/wrote it (I'm...
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    The Late Great Urantia Revelation

    I suppose it's easy to say you're not threatened by Paul when you discount stuff you don't like as pseudepigraphal. How convenient. I suppose it's easy to say you're not threatened by Paul when you discount stuff you don't like as pseudoepigraphal
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    Theology Club: Open View and Preterism

    I'm not originally either Open Theistic or Preteristic, but as I've moved in the Open direction, I've also become more intrigued with preterism. I haven't settled on either yet (I'm more of a Open Open Theist, rather than a Settled Open Theist :)), but would appreciate some feedback from others...
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    Theology Club: What if God needed Adam to fall early on?

    I'm just trying to think this thing through. I'm inclined toward the open view of the future, but in some cases it tends to wrap back around toward something that looks Calvinistic. For example, Adam and Eve in the garden... Here's my scenario. God decides to create a being that can...
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