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He wasn't just going through the motions, God saw that. And so do we see that, because God put it in the Bible. We all saw Abraham wasn't just going through the motions. That means something. That is important. With the Trinity that gets counter intuitive. It's not like Christ could not...

And all I have to say is, Who is your bishop? Clete.

I believe in Sola Scriptura, which is why I'm a vanilla Roman Catholic simpliciter, to put it bluntly, and I think all the rest of you are wrong, just as simply put. I'm not here because I have to be. I love it. It's at least a favorite hobby of mine, like some folks love to ski so much their...

I'm Augustian in as much as Augustine was Roman Catholic, yes. Clavinism is cafeteria Augustianism. Clavinists just take what they like from Augustine and leave the rest.

No I wasn't. Stop it.

Just checking.

We just don't understand eternality. Like somehow the Lamb is sacrificed from the foundation of the World, and if you're going to argue that no, only our names are written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the World, I still think you have the same problem of not understanding eternality.

I agree. I was a straight-laced Westminster canonical Clavinist for years, and this is what I believed. It didn't really matter that God merely passed over the Reprobate, instead of like, forcing them to choose Hell. Given Total Depravity, everybody was going to choose Hell unless God...

And I would say that you both are kind of thinking like a Clavinist, because you're both kind of assuming that not one in ten thousand are going to Hell rn. It could be that very very many are going to Heaven when they go softly into the night rn. Not universalism. But like, almost...

We don't need to understand it. We just need to believe Genesis 50:20 is the Word of God.

So when John the Baptist said Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit, was this the Kingdom Gospel?

It's absolutely totally fine to question the following scenario. 1500 years go by, and all history indicates that from the time of the Apostles, the Church which Jesus founded was a bunch of Quaker meetings and Evangelical Bible studies. Then all of a sudden a movement appears and the leaders...

"His kingdom presence is with us now." Yes.

I think I remember seeing that Luke and Acts are the two longest books in the New Testament, in terms of word count? I might be wrong, but they are both rather long. But yeah, doesn't it seem like, if taken as a two-volume set, that you have the Gospel which ends with the crucifixion and...

I think I read in Eusebius where some people thought Luke WAS Paul's Gospel. The theory comports with Paul saying that Christ rose from the dead "according to" his Gospel—that is recorded in Luke, after all.

Does 1st Corinthians 6 say to stop being a faggot or not Clete.

What ones?

In some sense, you're right, and that's the decretive will. But the decretive will can surely decree that He's going to exercise His preceptive will, which is His right to Speak to us. And obv, from places like Genesis 50:20, He can also decree to exercise His permissive will. It doesn't mean...

Preceptive being, "Let's go Home," but the decretive will permits the permissive will, and so you go to the produce section instead, violating His precept, but He decrees His permissive will (looks the other way) while you go to the produce section. It's interesting though when you think about...

That's either what hooked me on Clavin, or it at least was a big part of what hooked me. Was God in any sense ... failing? I couldn't countenance that, and I didn't, and when I found Clavinism, I found that it also did not countenance that God was failing. So I instantly converted, mentally...