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  1. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    You mean the kingdom Paul was preaching? How many proselytes did the 12 make after Paul came on the scene?
  2. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Yet Paul said Jesus told him this: Acts 26:18 (KJV) To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. How can they be among...
  3. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    But you are admitting with your post that your arguments are insufficient, so all you can do is say the same thing over again, in hopes the repetition will make up for lack of substance. I, however, have barely scratched the surface of material to present.
  4. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Of course--this tabernacle will not be our permanent one until it is made incorruptible.
  5. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Of course--because it was the angel speaking of the words Peter would say. But those who heard Peter's account said: Acts 11:18b (KJV) Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. But you're right that there's still a future aspect of it, just as there is Paul's. (That's...
  6. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    I'd like to talk about the targets of the non-Pauline epistles, but I think I'll start a new thread someday soon.
  7. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    I'm not seeing how your quote in any way is different from what I wrote. The redemption of the body is the resurrection, and we groan for it to happen. We hope for it. We wait for it patiently.
  8. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Have you ever looked for how many times Paul used the word "hope". His message was almost entirely about the hope of salvation, and what we should be doing in the meantime. That didn't mean they weren't currently saved, but that their salvation was to be manifested at a future time--at the...
  9. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Paul--future: 1 Thessalonians 5:8 (KJV) But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. Peter--present: Acts 11:14 (KJV) Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. Careful with that...
  10. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    And Peter described the same thing. Acts 15:9 (KJV) And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Acts 15:11 (KJV) But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
  11. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Paul always went to the Jews first. Surely he could write to them if he wanted to. And letters are rarely written to people that don't exist. Maybe Hebrews will apply to tribulation Jews, but it must have also applied to the Jews who received it. And here's what Peter had to say about it...
  12. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    How dare you say such a thing about Right Divider!
  13. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    But he never used that term in his epistles.
  14. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    Yes, but it's still a hope. We can be assured of the promise being fulfilled, but it hasn't been yet. What promise is it Paul is mostly speaking of? Hebrews 11:39-40 (KJV) 39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better...
  15. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    The PROMISE of life.
  16. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    But from our vantage point, the one that perseveres to the end is the one that is saved--not saved by the perseverance, but evidenced by it.
  17. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    https://credohouse.org/blog/billy-graham-and-charles-templeton-the-sad-tale-of-two-evangelists
  18. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    You weren't asking me, but that rarely stops me from jumping in. I think the verse is talking about God's ability to save, not man's ability to be saved. And I think salvation is primarily focused on the resurrection. Thus, Paul is talking about committing something to God--his future state...
  19. Derf

    These are NOT the same gospel

    And Paul speaks against it. 1 Corinthians 14:4 (KJV) He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
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