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I'm not sure what you mean.

You don't think our flesh will be dead when our bodies are dead?

Meaning it isn't really dead, right?

What do you all think about this verse, in light of the thread topic: Romans 8:10 (KJV) And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness. Whose body is dead, and how is it dead?

Like everything Satan does, it's a corruption of something good: 1 Timothy 2:9 (KJV) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel

Your description of the foundation of the world is one of an object, not of a time. "From the foundation of the world" would indicate a location. I have a hard time seeing how that fits with either context. Your question is a good one, though I've already answered it partially. Foundation of...

It's interesting that you referenced Job 38:6, "eden" I can see it's not the same word, exactly, but I'm pretty sure God uses literary devices that allows for one "eden" to hint at another, especially in Job. And certainly Revelation, written in Greek, could carry both connotations. But even...

That's why I attributed it to B57.

Webster 1828 doesn't define it so narrowly as you. Original; rise; as the foundationof the world. So it could be the whole creation week. Narrow definitions will adversely affect your theology.

Loves them enough to assign them to hell for Adam's sin, according to B57's view.

I think there were: Adam and Eve.

I'm not ignoring, I'm just not agreeing. The problem with your way of reading it is that it then leaves you with two options. 1. That every wicked person from the foundation of the world would then be "on the earth", or 2. That everybody who has not been written in the book of life was...

I didn't say he was crucified at that time. But as B57's citation pointed out, Meaning that when God promises something He often acts as if those things were already fulfilled, as long as they aren't contingent on something else. Christ's death was promised in Gen 3, but wasn't fulfilled until...

While I don't agree with B57's "eternal perspective", he's right about Jesus being slain from the foundation of the world, and the reason why the language is consistent. God promised that the seed of the woman would crush the serpent's head, and that His heel would be bruised.

Faulty wording. They might have needed it in some way, but they were never lost. I don't think they were born "spiritually dead", but it doesn't matter, because of your quote to JR: Thus, because God was going to save them, they were never lost, but always saved from God's point of view...

All Calvinists believe all that will be saved were determined to be saved before they ever existed. There was never a time in their lives when they were in danger of losing their eternal lives. Thus, if they were never in peril of their eternal lives, they didn't need to be saved. That might be...

People that were never going to be lost don't need good news, because they never were in danger.

Your answer, of course, is a dead end. There's no good news in your gospel. If you aren't saved, you might never be. If you think you are, you might not be. It all depends on the whims of a God that decided before you were born to dangle the forbidden fruit of eternal life before your eyes, then...

Pride comes to mind.

I grew up baptist. Back then I was sure only baptists would be in heaven. I've matured since then.