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Romans 4:16 (KJV) Therefore [it is] of faith, that [it might be] by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Galatians 3:29 (KJV) And if ye [be] Christ's...

As long as that seed exercises faith, which then opens the door of salvation to all who exercise faith.

"Elect sinners"? God elected people for the purpose of sinning? I've never heard a Calvinist be that honest about his doctrine before. Well done! Now are you ready to reject it because you've made God out to be desiring people to sin?

Before the world began makes sense. "Before time" means "the time prior to when there was time" which you might recognize as incomprehensible.

"Before time"? What does that mean?

Not interchangeably. God's spirit/breath made the dust come to life. Man's soul didn't exist prior to God's breathing, but God's breath surely did. So as long as you "know" something, the rest of us can just take your word for it? I guess we will see the resolution of every disagreement in...

So you say. Yet "spirit" and "soul" are both used in Genesis 2:7. "נְשָׁמָה" (breath) is sometimes translated "spirit". And I should trust that reference? Why?

You are "truly" alive?

God didn't "give" man a soul, according to your reference. God did give His spirit when he breathed into Adam the breath of life, and Adam became a living soul. If God's breath is required to make a man live, then that breath can return to God when man dies. But if man can die, he's not...

Welcome to the forum, Soul. But not omnipotent, omniscient or omnipresent? Why not? And if not, how can you be sure of the "immortal" part, especially when God said they could die? Doesn't "immortal" mean you either can't or won't ever die? Therefore, if immortality was part of God's image in...

Who gave man such a terrible nature?

Or that God would willingly cause someone to reject him and then send them to hell.

And thus you reveal your own Dark Theology.

I know some quite well, and your assessment is not accurate. Like all of us, they get bogged down in some of their theology, but many are doing good work for Christ.

Some are worse than others. They just seem to shut off their brains when someone points out the inconsistencies.

You seem to be saying that the "good news" is that some people will be damned to eternal torment because God wanted them to be.

SO I HAVE SPOKEN, SO LET IT BE DONE!!

Then Christ's sacrifice is not sufficient for their salvation. You are adding to the gospel.

I appreciate the clarification, and it is in keeping with most Christian orthodoxy. But the limited atonement you normally speak of is not what is spoken of in the Bible. God desires all people to repent, not just some. If there are any he does not desire to repent, that means he desires for...

If he actually saved them when he died, then no "elect" person afterward was ever dead in their trespasses and sin. Every elect person born after Christ died was not saved from sin, because they had no sin to be saved from--Christ had already saved them from it before they existed.