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  1. Derf

    On what day was Christ crucified?

    Hi Rhema. I'm sorry, but I don't remember anyone by this name. Did you previously post under another name?
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Thank you. A simile, or more accurately, metaphor, is NOT the actual thing, but gives a picture of the actual thing. The baptism part was a figure. Noah was real. The reference to Noah was used to illustrate the point about baptism, how it didn't save the people on the ark by getting them...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Neither CAN satisfy Rom 6:5's "planted together with Christ". "Planted" refers to being buried. Baptism of the spirit doesn't do it, as it works on something besides your body. Water baptism doesn't do it--it works on yourbody, but it isn't a burial, just a symbol. The baptism isn't the means...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    That doesn't say they didn't baptize with water, and in fact reinforces the idea that the same water baptism done to Jews in Jesus' name is that which is done to Gentiles in Jesus' name. The physical illustrates the spiritual.
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Or perhaps neither, since Peter indicates it isn't about the washing if the flesh, but the cleansing if the conscience. Something more than water is needed. What is needed is to be dead to sin, so that we don't live any longer therein. We are dead to sin only when we identify with Christ's...
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    On what day was Christ crucified?

    Agreed, but not at the new moon feasts.
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    I am correct, you and they are incorrect.
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Here's a place where they misuse scripture, trying to squeeze out of it something it doesn't actually say. Kind of like how you've been doing: "Though he baptized some, he did not baptize all, because he was sent to preach the glory of the cross, and the Lord told him baptism would make the the...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Yes, that was my point to you. So now you are saying that Paul was speaking of Spirit baptism in regard to the earlier portion of 1 Cor? That's odd, because I thought you used those verses to say Paul was no longer doing water baptisms. All of the Old Testament uses of the bapto word family...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Then you have to assume water is required for the earlier verses in 1 Cor. Rather, "baptize" and "baptism" are water words, but they can be used metaphorically, just like Jesus used "cup" in your reference. There was no cup in what they and He would experience, but there WAS a cup with them in...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    You realize, I hope, that you have quoted the same author, in the same letter, using the same word, and saying that it refers to two different things? No water was mentioned in either verse. Below are all the verses in 1 Corinthians that use the word. In only one of them is water ("sea")...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    Maybe, but that wasn't your claim here: If God told Paul not to baptize, that would have been much more efficient to have just said that outright, rather than baptizing people, telling people to be baptized, having others baptize some people, then turning a corner and never telling people that...
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    But you can't actually show where God told him not to.
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    The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

    So you put your opinion above scripture?
  15. Derf

    On what day was Christ crucified?

    Perhaps now, but what about when it was more difficult for worldwide communication? Would a Jew in Rome celebrate the new moon on the same date as a Jew in Babylon?
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    On what day was Christ crucified?

    I think my idea can still work. Imagine someone sitting on the east side of Jordan, and someone sitting in Jerusalem. A waxing crescent sets after the sun. If the sun has already set in the west, but it isn't dark yet, then according to @JudgeRightly's broadcast link, the day isn't over until...
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    On what day was Christ crucified?

    This article is interesting. It explains that Jewish tradition has developed that put the passover on the day after the full moon, but the instruction from Moses was based on the counting of days from the new moon. That could result in an error of one day, which Jesus would likely follow the...
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    On what day was Christ crucified?

    It's a good episode! I didn't get to finish it yet.
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    On what day was Christ crucified?

    I think I got that backwards. If those east of Jordan saw the crescent of the new moon at the same time as someone west of Jordan, it might still be day (sun not yet set) west of Jordan while it was even (sun already set) east of Jordan. That would put them on a later schedule, with the month...
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    On what day was Christ crucified?

    The passover meal discrepancy has intrigued me at times. My thought is that because they were obliged to sight the new moon to herald the beginning of each month, the authorities in Jerusalem or all Judea might have seen it after sundown, while Jesus, who was east of the Jordan at the beginning...
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