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Heb 2:15 tells us. Romans 8:11 KJV — But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall (future tense) also quicken your mortal bodies (physical bodies subject to death, even though they aren't dead yet) by his Spirit that...

Including England.

I was trying to understand a different definition of death than has been used before, since those other ones didn't fit. That seems red-herring-ish to me.

In some verbiage, perhaps. But consider Adam's newly formed body before God breathed into it the breath of life. Was it "dead", or just "non-living"? The difference is that "dead" usually only applies to something that has already lived in some fashion. When you say your phone is "dead", you...

Still, hope springs eternal...

@Hoping. I've come across something that illustrates my issue with your use of words in a way that isn't supported by their meaning. The word "literally" means "actually", as in "I literally blew a gasket when I over-revved my car's engine." You might recognize "blew a gasket" as a figurative...

I heard a pastor say something like this recently. He had been studying about (and even wrote a book about) prayer, and he had come to the conclusion that God acts on our prayers of today by doing something before the prayer was made (maybe yesterday or a year ago) which was in direct answer to...

No problem. "It" didn't exist when Christ was crucified and buried. "It" is still in the process of dying. "It" has not been raised to walk in newness of life, because "it" hasn't died yet. Because it is symbolic. Christ died for us substitutionarily. We have died only "in Christ", not...

So you agree it's not our death that's a propitiation? That's good. Do you remember what started this part of the conversation? So now that you've said Christ's death is the propitiation, re-read col 3:3, and tell me what kind of dead are we in that verse?

As I said, your words don't fit the uses in common English, much less those in the Bible. Romans 8:11 KJV — But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you...

To keep from dying of boxing injuries, the best thing is to die of something else, don't you think?

Two different pilots incapacitated reroute: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/united-airlines-flight-from-guatemala-diverted-to-houston-airport-after-pilot-suffered-medical-emergency/ Notice what the last part of the tweet says: "This is now the fifth pilot incapacitation that I’m...

Wasn't looking. That the best you got?

You say you mean physical, but your "old man", or flesh, is still alive, physically. You do NOT have a changed or new physical body yet. Therefore your words are inconsistent with your words. The only way to do that is for you to mean something different by your words in one case compared to...

It's no doubt just normal fainting spells.

Which we've already gone over, showing that you use some odd meaning for "physical", when you really mean something else.

Are you saying we die as a propitiation for our sins? Or are we counting Christ's death as a propitiation for our sins? If the former, how do we do that and live? If the latter, then it's not our death, but Christ's death that is reckoned to our account.

Can you put a name to it?

Metaphorical for something in the future?