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    Died Suddenly

    And I wonder how many of their covid deaths were really because of the vax?
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    Can God lie?

    @JudgeRightly (and @Clete if you're willing to have an adult conversation) Consider this scenario: Your family is rounded up and with you looking on, the enemy is about to put out their eyes if you will just agree to throw a pinch of incense on the fire in acknowledgment of the deity of Caesar...
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    Can God lie?

    I'm glad you said this, even if it gets you banned. This thread about lying is not even integral to either OV, which I agree with, or MAD, which I agree partly with. But it ("lying isn't inherently evil" theory) was propounded by Bob Enyart, and that seems to make it a sacred cow. Don't get me...
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    Can God lie?

    That's an excellent question. That's why I choose to distinguish battlefield deception from normal lies. And perhaps saving Jews during the holocaust could fit in that category. It didn't make the lie righteous, but the people who lie for that purpose would be considered righteous. And that's...
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    Can God lie?

    It was a response to part of @Clete's farewell message.
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    Can God lie?

    But it was for a good cause, fighting my apologetic enemy, so it's ok. From now on, I will take your "liar" insult as a compliment and a badge of honor, expecting God to reward me. See how good I am at changing my mind?
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    Can God lie?

    Right. But if death is the wages of sin, and babies die, then it's because of Adam's sin in some way. Maybe this will tie back in somehow... Agreed Perhaps, but what about those before the flood. The purpose was for Abraham to save His own life at expense of Sarah's dignity, by claiming she...
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    Can God lie?

    Completely unresponsive waste of time to read. Nothing at all other than you repeating your position as though nothing has been said to prove it false, like the repeated quoting of God's word including where it directly quotes God Himself saying things that directly contradict your doctrine...
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    Can God lie?

    There are still larger evils out there. That one in particular is easy to understand. The ten Booms struggled with what they were doing. They weren't really blessed for it, as far as I can see--they all died in the camps except Corrie. That doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing for them to do...
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    Can God lie?

    I think it answers your question accurately and succinctly. Or it means that God recognizes our frailties and extends mercy when we are attempting to do right, even if we do it poorly. And God is merciful. And He can extend mercy to whom He wants to extend mercy. You don't know that. All you...
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    Can God lie?

    I don't understand your question. Through one man sin entered the world, and death by sin, so it seems like the answer is "Adam". That doesn't help the people that are destroyed before He uses them to make His point. How can there be wickedness imputed, if the law hadn't been given yet...
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    Can God lie?

    If comparing what God does vs Rahab, the standards might be different. Nevertheless, they were subject to death, so something was up. Sodom and Gomorrah were also punished before there was a law against sodomy. A whole earth was destroyed due to undefined "wickedness" before the law. Abimelech...
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    Can God lie?

    Before I go forward, my job is not to give God's reasoning, but to give a feasible reason, one that upholds God's character. Only one is necessary, even if it isn't the one God used (which I might not have access to). I don't really need to explain any of the human lies any more than I need to...
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    Can God lie?

    How do we know from the bible that something is sinful? There are few ways. 1. God tells us not to do it. It was sinful for Adam and Eve to eat of the Tree of Knowledge because God told them not to do so. Murder is condemned in several passages. 2. God destroys people for the thing that is...
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    Can God lie?

    Rahab isn't God. That may seem obvious, but it didn't show up in your response.
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    Can God lie?

    Not so sure she wasn't led by fear, rather than the Spirit. 2 Timothy 1:7 KJV — For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
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    A little comedy break....

    A stroke of genius, perhaps?
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    A little comedy break....

    I don't get this one. Wait...now I do. Seems like they are all having the same stroke, though.
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    A little comedy break....

    What's wrong with that? Can't we trust the govt to read our mail, monitor our phone calls, and spy on our bank transactions?
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    Can God lie?

    (y) That's part of my point. Your arguments work equally well for my viewpoint...that makes those arguments of little use for finding out the truth. I'm still looking forward to you actually correcting me in a way that makes sense. For all I know, you lie every time you speak, because it's ok...
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