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That's easy enough to say, and it seems true to me, but you don't get that from the 1 Peter 3:19 passage, where a specific group is addressed, including only those from before the flood, not after. Who said anything about teaching them. The word is "preach", or "proclaim", like a herald would...

That could be, but it leaves us to assume it somehow applied to everone after the flood, rather than speaking about some group that is different. I think it's probably talking about the angels that left their first estate, and are now in chains under darkness reserved for judgment, Jude 6

That's a good explanation, though I'm not sure it handles the spirits in prison because of what happened with the flood.

This was about whether death meant something more in Gen 3 than just returning to the dust. If you put all other scripture from your mind and just read Gen 2 and 3, do you get some other kind of death? What kind, and what scripture? And from that passage, 1Per 3:19, you read that Jesus, while...

The lump of clay doesn't stay in the form of a man. It corrupts. It becomes part of the earth again. The breath goes back to God. I dont know what that breath thing is, but if it is the power of animation, then the power is no longer with the clay, so the clay has no life. If the clay was man...

Like having His Spirit in us? 1 John 3:24 KJV — And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. No problem. If so, then why does this sea of gentiles need to give up the dead that are in it...

Remember the hymn, "Revive us again"? The refrain goes, "Hallelujah Thine the glory, hallelujah amen, hallelujah Thine the glory, revive us again." My brother would sing it: "Hallelujah Thine the glory, hallelujah amen, hallelujah Thine the glory, revive us again.""Hallelujah Thine the glory...

catholic, little "c"

Not all. But some, just like you. That's a comfort coming from you.

Nor would I expect you to agree with me over him and your traditional understanding. But hopefully it makes others think a little.

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Thanks for being part of the discussion, Clete.

In other words, David's soul WAS left in hell? Yes, I think that's what it is saying. Because David wasn't resurrected, his soul remained in hell. Yep. Why not? Why would Christ go to hell, but not A, I, J, and D? Isn't the argument that Lazarus, the poor man, went to hell, just to the better...

So do I...because of resurrection. See below about the angels in chains of darkness, not fire. That's a pretty big leap to make. I think you'll have a hard time backing that up with scripture. Chains of darkness might be tartarus. No fire yet, right? Hell is used for "hades", "tartarus", and...

What I'm saying is 1. If it isn't that important, then my view shouldn't be a threat to you or other Christians. And 2. We don't determine the importance of God's truth. I.e., if He tells us how things work, we should be interested, instead of just assuming we already know everything. Finally...

I feel for you. I've been doing mine on a cell phone. Do we get to decide which things it's ok not to be accurate about? If we decide the importance, then we can relegate the gospel to a back burner. Why? It doesn't seem that extraordinary to me. Maybe you're talking about your paradigm. Kind...

Was that Kamala? Oh, wait, that would suggest she actually almost knows what "percent" means.

Not the same as you, apparently. An extrapolation from the text... The beggar was carried, the rich man was buried. You can't bury a spirit, but it seems to compare the two at this point. Right, that's why I say it's an extrapolation from the text. You are applying your view of Jesus'...