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Do you think angels ever become saved to the point that they cannot fall? Why or why not? And do you think we will be like the angels in that sense? Do you mean that we will direct the paths of planets, stars, and galaxies? If not, what do you mean? Interesting thoughts, Dan.

I have, some time ago. It is the confusion factor...and God is not the author of confusion. Rather, He takes confusing things and makes sense of them, or chaotic things and makes orderly things of them. Thus, when He introduces a confusing thing, like calling something "heaven" that isn't "the...

Troll much?

It would be funnier if Joe didn't keep calling her "president".

Sorry for taking so long to respond. I haven't had as much time to be on TOL as I'd like. I didn't do a lot of snipping. Just waited to comment until I had something to comment on. I do. But I'm saying it doesn't apply, necessarily. Well, perhaps, but you can also refer to something that...

Good question. The context gives a general, but not a specific, answer. Galatians 4:3-10 KJV — Even so we (I think this means "the Jews"), when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman...

Yeah, probably not the only one that's been introduced here.

@rstrats I'm not trying to avoid your question, but it's kind of like Paul told the Galatians. Galatians 4:9 KJV — But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

How do you know there aren't also annual bio-rhythms? Like hibernation?

Right, and I told you:

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See my previous post

So, I think you are saying we have the earth that isn't really the earth, the heavens which is more than the heavens. Sound familiar? The "not quite spherical" is due to other bodies that can exert forces or other motion that can affect the shape. If the original earth-size lump has no other...

Ugh! Don't remind me!

Meaning that God controls the sinner's thoughts? That the most evil intentions of man's heart are God's intentions? That His will is already done on earth, and it includes murder, rape, adultery, witchcraft, sodomy, etc.? If so, then we already can't be assured of what the Bible tells us...

Yes, but I'm making a different point. The word "eretz" in Hebrew means either "land" or "whole world" from what I understand. Maybe I should have said "whole world" instead of "globe earth" there. The narrative seems to be introduced as the creation of "the heavens and the earth". I'm not sure...

I'm still not finished replying to your other recent posts, but here's a question for you while you're waiting. Are the following verses speaking of the heaven that is the crust of the earth or the firmament of the heavens (where stars are and on the surface of which birds fly)? Genesis 6:17...

I'm saying that the firmament is outer space. JR can speak for himself just fine, but I believe he's saying that the firmament called "Heaven" (not "the heavens") is really the crust of the earth.

First, I am merely offering an opinion here, because I don't know why Moses write like he wrote, or why the Holy Spirit inspired it like He did. But I think he's trying to show that it has structure. There's a firmament/expanse/places to put things. That there is a spatial limit to it (that's...

We're not necessarily talking about on the globe earth anymore, if the waters are separated by a "firmament" (something that will keep the waters apart). Space divides all kinds of things, like galaxies, that are made of the components of water. I don't think you can make that statement. If the...