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  1. Lon

    If I were to become Open Theist...

    Only when it is edited on TV. Way too much language for me. There is a book out called "Caraval" that is as plot twisting you might enjoy (more than "The Game." I think the movie will be called "Black Heart" (in the works). No cussing, swearing and though it has rascals, it carries a...
  2. Lon

    If I were to become Open Theist...

    Be more specific. I'm not following at all. It wasn't a question I responded to, it was a 'meh.' Then I'd hate it, but He didn't and I don't. If so, it'd be the nature I was 'created' with. I want that, Derf, the intention of His creating me. I want holiness. It definitely cost me...
  3. Lon

    Is Faith Without Works Dead?

    "Ordination" doesn't mean authorship, it simply means 'putting things in order.' No matter what, we all believe God is orderly and will put His creation in order, however it comes out. In Open Theism, God is likened to a Master Chess Player (omnicompetence) such that God 'allows' the first...
  4. Lon

    If I were to become Open Theist...

    Isn't delegated power, still His power? 🤔
  5. Lon

    If I were to become Open Theist...

    You are that self-important? Self-interested? Omnipresent. Let me be blunt: If it is to His glory, I'd love it. His will is always going to be better than mine. You obviously aren't there? don't trust? You've done so incredibly better than God with your own will? Not me. 1 John 3:2...
  6. Lon

    If I were to become Open Theist...

    "All" mighty. Unqualified, it means "All" Omni (all) potent (powerful), regardless of theology perspective or objection. All means all. Might means might. Questioning that, we might as well question any scripture word is accurate. Fore (before) knowledge (not prediction, known) is...
  7. Lon

    If I were to become Open Theist...

    It isn't paramount, rather His will is. If I were less, I'd be less 'christ'ian. 1 John 3:2 When we see Him, we'll be like Him. Agree, but if one omni, all omnis by logical conclusion. Not when I'm the one who needs to change. It is the goal of my belief and faith. Even in immutable...
  8. Lon

    If I were to become Open Theist...

    If I were to become Open Theist... ...what do I win? (to omni or not omni) There is no intention of being vitriolic here, I've weighed this over time. I'm prompted to voice concern. What is Open Theism ideology for? What is the point, sincerely? ...I'd have to eschew omnis that are...
  9. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Catholics have a three-legged stool: Tradition, Authority, Scripture All equally supporting. We have a stool where Scriptures are the top of the stool, top-down in our faith. We scripturally question tradition and authority by it (we believe rightly so). On TOL, we do subject our...
  10. Lon

    Do some of the Scriptural Truths offend you?

    See here the difference between Dyophysitism and Miaphysitism
  11. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    It'd seem Clete and I are concerned with Mariology problems in the RC (rosary beads by example). I have several, refused to do "Hail Mary's." I also, had a hard time doing a lot of repeated "Our Father's" not because we don't need to memorize scriptures, but I didn't want to get in the habit...
  12. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    I'll state my idea of freewill: We are either 'free' from God (the Fall) or 'freed' by a new nature, to follow Him and eschew sin. "He whom the Son sets free, is free indeed." In this verse 'what you are free of' is sin and its curse. Anytime we use 'free' we have to either have...
  13. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Adam and Eve, certainly tempted. I'd imagine the angels Satan took with him, were tempted by him. It leaves in question: How was Satan tempted? Deluded? Something was his first sin... Probably above my paygrade...
  14. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    At least in likeness, for Jesus to be 'tempted as we are." Good, hard question. More below: Read this theological treatise. Then: Got Questions (Dallas Theological) gives all perspectives without committing to any one of them, thus, I think, A fair offering for what is on the table. In...
  15. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Choice as a small player: I chose vanilla from your freezer. You had both, a couple of scoops are missing from your quart: Small player. I'm a Christian. Whose choice mattered, mine or His? I never intimated 'slightly' choosing, that is a strawman. At the very least, thank you...
  16. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    He had a human nature. Consider these scriptures and help me answer the question. Not at all. Again, read the above scriptures and help me out with the answer. My answer: He had a human nature. Hebrews 4:15
  17. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Ask the question again, perhaps with a yes/no answer if you want clarity. I answered it: if Calvinism were correct, I don't care if I'm a robot with no free choice, not a whit. I'd be 'made' to like it. God not only foreknew, Jesus was crucified from the beginning of the world. If God...
  18. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    However consterned you happen to be, the question and discussion is about the 'need' of choice, specifically more about whether you need to 'choose to love' for it to be meaningful. In this is a deep conversation about what love is and is not. I don't believe 'choice' but a small player...
  19. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Yes, but it is not really a choice but 'to you.' I already know. Am I stuck? Predestined? Yes, as far as vanilla. Do I care? Yes, but not in the way you do. You want the choice, I just want vanilla, predetermined or otherwise, it make no difference. At heart of this conversation is...
  20. Lon

    On the omniscience of God

    Yes. Incredibly predictable 0.o Ice cream: Vanilla Cereal: Peanut Butter. I do eat something else when not available, but my choice is cancelled out. It is rather "yes" or "no" to chocolate ice cream (always 'no thank you'). Relationally (what is generally at stake for Open Theist...
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