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So we're almost, if not entirely, in agreement except that you seem to put more emphasis on the "up" or "down" -ward direction than I do. I agree that Abraham's bosom is not Heaven but neither is it Hell. The only thing the two have in common is that it's dead people who go/went there. One is...

Yes, yes, yes. I am fully aware of the bible's use of the word "Hell". I'm also aware of how every person teaching from those passages has to explain that the verse doesn't mean "Hell" as virtually all modern English speaking people think of when we hear the word.

Are trying to go on my ignore list?

I mean that if you attempt to establish the idea that you can lose your salvation, you will not be able to do so without using passages that were written to/about Israel. Put another way, you would be forced to NOT rightly divide the word of truth. That's sort of close to being the primary...

Jesus DID NOT go to Hell, JR. He was dead and He went to the same place that all the other righteous dead went to. Calling that Hell is a great way to be confusing and to communicate something other than what is actually meant. This passage simply teaches that everyone dies. What? Abraham's...

What are you even talking about? I didn't accuse you of anything. I simply responded to what you wrote! You're an idiot.

Perhaps, but anyone that teaches that Jesus was tortured in Hell for three days, enduring the same sort of punishment that those who are permanently sent to Hell will endure, is a blasphemer. If that is not the intent of saying that Jesus went to Hell then whoever is saying it needs to realize...

I responded to the words on the page. I'm certainly not interested in reading your mind. Say what you mean or live with it when someone responds to what your write. If I (or whomever) seems to have missed important context then clarify yourself and be done but you didn't do that. You said what...

Bob (and I) both would agree. Prophecy of impending doom is first and foremost a warning. Jonah's prophesy about Nineveh is a prime example. Given this agreement, I'd submit that the dogmatism that you detect is an errant perception on your part. There is no way to establish this doctrine...

@Unsettler, Just wanted to say that I'm actually glad to see that we don't agree on everything. You're a smart guy who isn't afraid to believe things based on the verdict of your own mind. That should make for some very excellent conversations, which I'm very much looking forward to!

They couldn't rightly think that no matter what Paul was saying here. The context makes it plain what is being said. It cannot be otherwise. If you want to believe differently then there isn't anything anyone can say to move you. I definitely am NOT an adherent to the perseverance of the...

Read the context! He is talking about Israel having been cut off and the Gentiles grafted in. He is simply saying that this isn't a permanent situation and that it can easily be undone and so you gentiles don't think of yourselves as superior to Israel because you're not. He didn't go from...

I never suggested otherwise. The point wasn't that none exist at all but that they are pretty far and few between and that the fact that you accept the testimony of extra-biblical sources for historical information doesn't put you in a special class. Practically everyone does so.

The warning in Romans 11 isn't to individual believers. Paul isn't teaching that his followers can lose their salvation but that God can end the dispensation of grace and turn back again to Israel, which would suck for the Gentiles because then they would once again be "aliens from the...

The predictions are what they are, right? And they aren't "too flexible" are they? The prophesies in the bible aren't pre-written history but that doesn't mean they were written on toilet paper, right? I mean, very nearly all of the prophesies in the bible come true to the point that the bible...

Well, that doesn't make any sense. Just because there is the potential for a prophesy not to come to pass doesn't mean that the prophesy doesn't exist or that we shouldn't deal with it as though it is very likely to happen. The twists in the plot are not the whole plot. Most of the time, things...

What does a potential for future plot twists have to do with what we're talking about? Are you suggesting that Bob thinks that future plot twists can't happen? If so, where does he do that? What, specifically, makes you think that he's done that?

Move the goal post much? Just because someone doesn't go to the particular pieces of ancient literature that you like, doesn't mean that they don't ever use any extra-biblical sources to understand how the ancients viewed meanings of biblical terms. Put another way, using any extra-biblical...

Don't change the subject.

You need to establish this claim.