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As Paul's only wrote against the works of the Law, ie., circumcision, sabbath keeping, and dietary requirements mostly, it is ludicrous to think simple Godliness would be under that "works" umbrella. I will never fall into the trap of a ban on prayer, fasting, studying, talking with God/Jesus...

Show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works. (James 2:18) The only thing I am proud of is the Lord Jesus Christ, who died for my sins. He, my example, endured faithfully until His end. I pray I may do so also.

I have done most of those things, because of the grace of God in me. Because of the new nature God has provided for me. Routinely? I work at a food bank. I wouldn't be able to call myself a Christian with a straight face if I didn't do those things. What do you routinely do to glorify God and...

I mean, Love God above all else, and love your neighbor as you love yourself. Only in those ways that honored His Father. Others, He saw as just the works of men. I don't. The ability to live soberly, with pure hearts, with meekness, and wisdom, is the product of submission to God and to our...

Again you have a different POV of what legalism is than myself. Paul and myself see it as a return to the Jewish ways of the Law, ie., circumcision, dietary rules, feast keeping, tithing, etc. for salvation. You see legalism as everything done naturally by a Christians after their conversion...

You two are talking about two different kinds of "works". You seem to be referring to the works of the Law for salvation, ie., circumcision, dietary rules, feast keeping, tithing, etc. Marke is referring to the naturally occurring deeds of converted believers who love God and others.

You are correct, I had forgotten all about them.

Yes, I accomplish that. Thanks be to God.

Can you tell us which group has ever taught or abided that? I have never heard of it before.

Right, no more works of the Mosaic Law. Circumcision will not profit anyone.

I fail to see how honoring the words of Jesus Christ constitutes "law". Rules/laws don't, can't, force love. Thankfully the reborn get a new, divine nature wherein love comes naturally. Will murderers inherit eternal life? To imagine for a second that there are no guidelines inherent in...

You will need to supply a reason you think that is true, much less fundamentally true, before I declare myself an "Absolutist". I know the ideal morality, via Jesus and His and His prophets' words. I also know that Jesus made it possible to accomplish here on earth. Thanks be to God. The...

No big deal. Thanks.

Will it keep me from heaven? Jesus' two points are actually characteristics of belief in Clete's 6 points. To act contrary to Jesus' 2 points manifests unbelief in the first 6.

It, like all of the Mosaic Law and customs, were exclusively for the OT/OC. That Covenant is over. We don't stone witches anymore. We don't worship at a temple or sacrifice animals for our transgressions. But we still kill some sinners? No. How much of the Law do you hold to? More than nine of...

Loving God with all one's might, and loving one's neighbor as one loves themselves. (Luke 10:25-28)

That doesn't make it OK. Or defensible. Lots? Data, please, unless you are just using hyperbole. I am "insistent" because I am a Christian who loves instead of hates. Christians get a new, divine nature when the Holy Ghost is given to us. It won't accept harm to others being called normal.

I don't know why you keep bringing Rom 1 into the discussion. The MADs shun anything to do with the Law, but you make me think the OT Laws' punishments are still to be enforced. OK, I see your perspective now...an insertion of your own POV regarding what Paul would have us do. But Paul isn't...

You should change your name to "Mr. Hypothetical" You must be reading too much sci-fi.

I don't see anything vague about it, but if you do, that is up to you, having used your own described vague perspective.