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There may have been hundreds of apostles by now. Your only concern seems to be who are the twelve who will judge the Jews on the last day and who are indicated by the twelve tiers of jewels in the base of the new Jerusalem. The first will include Matthias, but the last may be names you have...

1 Thes 2:14..."For ye, brethren, (of Thessalonica), became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:" The church of Judea was the same as the church of the Thessalonians. Both...

Oh I disagree with that. God's apostles used a method long used by the servants of God to determine the answer to questions. I don't know enough about it to go into it too deeply, but it was the use of the ummin and thurman. BibleGateway.com didn't recognize either term, so the spelling must be...

I probably would have left before the festering devilishness manifested itself overtly. People with the Spirit of God can sense these things before the unconverted can.

I'm not talking about victimhood. You inserted it into the discussion. I am talking about being able to resist temptation. If I can resist the temptation to commit adultery, so can they.

You would have me believe that Jesus' apostles were not part of the churches they founded? Too much of a stretch for me to believe that.

You quoted Acts 2:4 (KJV)..."And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." All of them received the Holy Ghost, and all of them spoke in tongues.

Derf's citing of Acts 2:4 is sufficient for me..."Acts 2:4 (KJV) And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. God's kingdom. So you serve two kings? The nation of Israel is just another man-ruled part of the earth that...

You don't think being in Christ is being in the kingdom? It is written..."Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:" (Co 1:13)

I can't agree.

Yeah, I had some trouble posting that time. Somehow the formatting deleted the author I was responding to and I had to insert the name "JudgeRightly" before each paragraph. I also had to change the font. It turned into a mess. 😞

Every temptation demands a choice. To choose to succumb to the temptation to commit adultery with a member of one's own sex can be refused as well as any other temptation.

Church members that counter God's decisions are not church members at all. They are fools in league with the devil.

You kind of went off on a tangent that didn't answer the question. Just as thieves can say "NO" to temptation, so can those disposed to group masturbation say "NO" to their temptation.

I thank God I can express opinions that correspond to God's opinions.

Do rapists and thieves "have any say in it"?

How can anyone not believe the Lord's apostles were part of His body?

The OAs were already in Jerusalem, while Paul was visiting in the foreign lands. Jesus had commanded the apostles..." Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:20 And he said unto them, Go...

The "current program" seems to tolerate, and in some cases, advocate sinful behavior. I prefer the "real program".

More laws? It seemed orderly to me. We can only hope so, because of the need for them. I pray there are apostles in every country on earth. And diligent disciples of the Lord to support them. To me, no part of the bible need stand alone. That truth can make you free of service to sin, Jesus...