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Mary Contrary 999

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Yorzhik said:
I don't think you realize that what you claim here undermines your compromise.

Going back to the airplane over the Pacific, the unconscious person is neither invited nor being rescued. So why is it wrong to throw them off? According to your compromise it isn't. But the reasons why it's wrong is hidden in the same reasons you can not justly throw someone off your plane over the Pacific who you've invited or who you are rescuing.

Granted, as you'd agree the beginning of understanding reality is "I exist" and thus all humans most personal possession is their own self. And after we establish our God-given reality, we must live together in wisdom, which begins with the fear of God. And wisdom says we must respect the God-given life of every human. We merely have to determine when a human begins.

Greater than what? What are you comparing here? One is the greatest possession of a pregnant female, and the other is... the baby?... other humans in society?... the father specifically?

This is just another example of why IP does not exist. If this were a reason to kill someone, the father would have a claim to the contrary! It would even have to be argued in court even if the father were a rapist. Are you sure you want to make this a part of your argument?
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I think you err when you do not consider location and biological commandeering simultaneously. Each give a woman independent grounds over a fetus. I also contend a raped woman has a window where her perogative reigns. Inaction for the first 16 weeks means she can no longer have an abortion just like a pregnancy derived of volition. It is the merging of a stolen choice and the stage of development of a fetus that allows the exception.
 
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Why does a surrogate mother have any claim over the fetus in her womb? Why does the biological mother who provided the egg?

A man is given lesser voice because of supply and demand. Sperm are a dime a dozen, eggs are worth $50,000 each easily.
 
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Arthur Brain

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Mary Contrary 999 said:
1) If you knew for a fact the stowaway was never conscious, does not have memories, a name, a history, an identity, or loved ones AND he was draining resources of the flight which made successful landing 5% less likely and he possessed your dna mixed with DNA from the vilest person you ever knew, would that make any difference at all in your likelihood of tolerating his ejection from the plane?

2) if someone left live sperm on your steering wheel would you do everything in your power to help the sperm to ultimately achieve it's ultimate purpose?
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Okay, with regards to scenario 1 - what does DNA have to to with anything? Do you honestly think that rapists imbue any subsequent progeny with psychopathic genes or something? If that's the case then wow, luck of the drawer completely where it comes to folk with a healthy prefrontal cortex then. I'm not hardcore on the abortion issue but your arguments are hardly solid...
 
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Right Divider said:
The "day after pill" is used for murder. Why do you have "no problem" with murder?
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I should clarify that I do have a problem with the day after pill being used as first line birth control. If a married couple used a condom and it breaks, that's when I don't have an issue with it being used as a back up.

It is not murder. I explained why. Get it?
 
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Arthur Brain said:
Okay, with regards to scenario 1 - what does DNA have to to with anything?
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When someone steals half your DNA and tries to commandeer your body to do the work of building a human being using said DNA, that woman deserves a say in it.

One consideration the woman might have is the quality of the family. Sometimes it will be clear, other times not so much. Sometimes heading another monster off at the pass is the least of two evils.
 
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Mary Contrary 999 said:
When someone steals half your DNA and tries to commandeer your body to do the work of building a human being using said DNA, that woman deserves a say in it.

One consideration the woman might have is the quality of the family. Sometimes it will be clear, other times not so much. Sometimes heading another monster off at the pass is the least of two evils.
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"The quality of the family"? Eh, sure. The upper to upper middle class and those with butlers on hand are absolutely less likely to produce psychopaths...

Else clarify as to what on earth your supposed point is.
 
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Mary Contrary 999 said:
I should clarify that I do have a problem with the day after pill being used as first line birth control. If a married couple used a condom and it breaks, that's when I don't have an issue with it being used as a back up.

It is not murder. I explained why. Get it?
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I don't have an issue with either to clarify from my perspective here.
 
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Mary Contrary 999 said:
I should clarify that I do have a problem with the day after pill being used as first line birth control. If a married couple used a condom and it breaks, that's when I don't have an issue with it being used as a back up.

It is not murder. I explained why. Get it?
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The "day after pill" kills an innocent human person. That's called murder and that's wrong.
You have moral and logical problems.
 
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Arthur Brain said:
"The quality of the family"? Eh, sure. The upper to upper middle class and those with butlers on hand are absolutely less likely to produce psychopaths...

Else clarify as to what on earth your supposed point is.
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I'll give you some leeway here. I can't expect you've read early in the thread. I know of a case where the rapist was a 40 year old virgin loser. He is a petty thief from a nowhere family. Couldn't land a lady so he scoop up a twelve year old and purposely got her pregnant to show that his boys can swim. He was not the worst psychopath per se but that little girl had every right to buck his biology in my mind.
 
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Mary Contrary 999 said:
I'll give you some leeway here. I can't expect you've read early in the thread. I know of a case where the rapist was a 40 year old virgin loser. He is a petty thief from a nowhere family. Couldn't land a lady so he scoop up a twelve year old and purposely got her pregnant to show that his boys can swim. He was not the worst psychopath per se but that little girl had every right to buck his biology in my mind.
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Your "fix" for the "problem" is to murder the child. That's wrong.
 
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Mary Contrary 999 said:
I'll give you some leeway here. I can't expect you've read early in the thread. I know of a case where the rapist was a 40 year old virgin loser. He is a petty thief from a nowhere family. Couldn't land a lady so he scoop up a twelve year old and purposely got her pregnant to show that his boys can swim. He was not the worst psychopath per se but that little girl had every right to buck his biology in my mind.
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So you've highlighted a case of a predatory child molester. What's a 'nowhere family' exactly? What has this guy's background got to do with anything? You're sounding like a snob who reduces the appalling crime of molestation to social status and you're doing yourself no favours whatsoever with that line of 'argument.
 
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