Progressive Disenchantment Atonement

[VladtheDestroyer]

The theological framework of my interlocutors appears to share significant structural similarities with Islam, particularly in its emphasis on material and national outcomes.

Nonsense. You are the one who is focusing on the material.

 

[Clete]

The theological framework of my interlocutors appears to share significant structural similarities with Islam, particularly in its emphasis on material and national outcomes. The primary distinction lies in their focus on Israel's elevation rather than its subjugation. From a traditional Christian perspective, however, this remains a materialistic interpretation of faith. Christianity is fundamentally a spiritual religion centered on grace and redemption, whereas your approach seems to reduce faith to a literalistic hermeneutic that reads Scripture primarily through a political and terrestrial lens. I respectfully invite the participants to consider the teachings of Christianity as an alternative to their current faith.

I read the scripture like it is written in normal human language that means what it plainly states unless good contextual or grammatical reasons are given to do otherwise.

If whatever it is you are doing with it were valid, there'd be no way to falsify any wild-eyed doctrine any crank wanted to propose. All he'd have to do is find the right "lens" through which to read the Scripture and voilà, anything you want to believe becomes "scriptural".

 

[Nick M]

• God exists.
• He is the Creator of all things and He is holy, perfect and just.
• We have, by doing evil things, rebelled against God.
• We, having rebelled against the God who gave us life, deserve death.
• God, being unwilling that all should perish, provided for Himself a propitiation (an atoning sacrifice) by becoming a man whom we call Jesus Christ and who is God Himself become flesh.
• Jesus, being Himself innocent of any sin, willingly bore the sins of the world and died on our behalf.
• Jesus rose from the dead.
• If you confess with you mouth, the Lord Jesus Christ (i.e. acknowledge your need of a savior and that He is that Savior) and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED.

I will add one bullet point.

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise

• OSAS

 

[Right Divider]

The theological framework of my interlocutors appears to share significant structural similarities with Islam, particularly in its emphasis on material and national outcomes.

Hogwash!

The primary distinction lies in their focus on Israel's elevation rather than its subjugation.

Hogwash!

From a traditional Christian perspective, however, this remains a materialistic interpretation of faith.

Hogwash!

Christianity is fundamentally a spiritual religion centered on grace and redemption, whereas your approach seems to reduce faith to a literalistic hermeneutic that reads Scripture primarily through a political and terrestrial lens. I respectfully invite the participants to consider the teachings of Christianity as an alternative to their current faith.

You could not possibly be more full of crap.

You are not a Christian if you believe that what we say is not Christian.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Maybe try to actually respond rather than just copy/pasting stuff from a favorite teacher?

He seems to be adapting his own papers/articles to this discussion. Definitely something that needs to be addressed, given our rules.

 

[JudgeRightly]

The theological framework of my interlocutors appears to share significant structural similarities with Islam, particularly in its emphasis on material and national outcomes. The primary distinction lies in their focus on Israel's elevation rather than its subjugation. From a traditional Christian perspective, however, this remains a materialistic interpretation of faith. Christianity is fundamentally a spiritual religion centered on grace and redemption, whereas your approach seems to reduce faith to a literalistic hermeneutic that reads Scripture primarily through a political and terrestrial lens. I respectfully invite the participants to consider the teachings of Christianity as an alternative to their current faith.

Several of your posts appear to be copied or closely adapted from your prewritten Progressive Disenchantment Atonement material. TOL is for dialogue, not for repeatedly importing article material into threads without directly answering the specific objections raised. Going forward, please answer the argument you are quoting directly, in your own words, and keep replies concise. If you are copying or closely adapting material from your own papers, articles, or previous writings, you need prior approval from TOL staff. Again, TheologyOnline is for dialogue, not for republishing essays in thread format.

 

[MWinther]

Several of your posts appear to be copied or closely adapted from your prewritten Progressive Disenchantment Atonement material. TOL is for dialogue, not for repeatedly importing article material into threads without directly answering the specific objections raised. Going forward, please answer the argument you are quoting directly, in your own words, and keep replies concise. If you are copying or closely adapting material from your own papers, articles, or previous writings, you need prior approval from TOL staff. Again, TheologyOnline is for dialogue, not for republishing essays in thread format.

That is incorrect. When I reference Herrick, for example, it is because I recently read his book. I also cite his work in a recent article, though phrased differently. If I choose to discuss my own theory of atonement, which I've written about, it is natural for the wording to resemble my article. However, nothing has been copied and pasted.