Derf
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That's why everybody died? I don't see that in scripture.
Can God lie?
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1Mind1Spirit
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1Mind1Spirit
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That they didn't lie.
Your position of what constitutes a lie.
If you're talking about being the OP, don't you think when you start a thread about lying that it would be relevant to define what constitutes a lie?
Specially if during the course of it examples of lying are being brought up?
Derf
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Is a strawman? How so? Usually my position wouldn't be a strawman, only my caricature of your position would be that.
You're welcome to offer a definition for discussion. "Half truth" was an attempt, but you didn't follow up.
1Mind1Spirit
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Derf
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Here:
I followed it up with scripture.
Post in thread 'Can God lie?' https://theologyonline.com/threads/can-god-lie.59793/post-1887782?
I don't see how that helps define a lie, or even a half truth. Nor did you explain what information the midwives withheld from pharaoh. They gave him information, but the information was suspect. That's not the same as your scripture example.
1Mind1Spirit
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Derf
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And? How does that apply to the question of what a lie is?No.
My example from scripture shows that truth is never suspect.
1Mind1Spirit
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A lie has no part in truth.
That means it can't have a part in any part of the truth.
Whether that be half of the truth or all of it.
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You are wrong again.
Romans 5:13 (KJV) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Adam sinned long before the law was given.
That would be one of those half truths of not revealing the whole truth.
It's a tactic many use in order to be deceptive but claiming that "technically" it was not a lie.
Abraham did it when he said Sarah was his sister instead of revealing she was his wife.
Derf
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Ok, so you're taking the position that because the midwives were rewarded by God, and God has no part in lying, then they must not have lied?
Derf
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Adam sinned against a different law, one that was no longer in force after they left the Garden.
There's a lot of truth in that.
Scripture shows that mankind has failed over and over again.
God sends a prophet or judge and folks act right for a little while and then BOOM! they fail.
So God sends another prophet or judge and the same thing keeps repeating over and over and over.
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When God said He would destroy Nineveh, but then He didn't, was that a lie? Did this make Him untrustworthy? Isn't it exactly what Titus 1:2 said that He cannot do?
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Cain sinned by murdering his brother before the law against murder was established.
What do you make of Romans 5:13?
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That is changing His mind due to the human response to His message being taken seriously.
Jonah 3:10 (AKJV/PCE)
(3:10) ¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did [it] not.
Derf
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No, that was an implied conditional. As was Hezekiah's impending death.
Do you still think Titus 1:2 means "who cannot lie in this one particular way, but can lie in innumerable other ways"?
Derf
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I agree, but the Adam example was not as good as Cain.
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Okay