Isaiah 53 is about ISRAEL

[Elia]

Why not?

Bs"d

If you start doing that you can right away throw the whole Bible overboard, because you can then all the time say: "Yes it says A, but I say it is a figurative reference to B."

 

[JudgeRightly]

If you start doing that you can right away throw the whole Bible overboard, because you can then all the time say: "Yes it says A, but I say it is a figurative reference to B."

I mean, yeah, you could. But that would be irrational.

I'd rather take what is meant as literal as literal, and what is figurative as figurative.

And I would recognize that sometimes some things that are literal are figurative of other things. Not all the time, but sometimes, especially in scripture.

For example: Isaac is a type of Christ.

Isaac was a literal person. He literally went with his father up Mount Moriah, and Abraham literally almost killled him there, but was stopped by God, and presented with a literal ram caught in a literal thicket.

However, Isaac is also figurative of Christ. Christ went up Mount Moriah, and WAS killed, and upon His head was a crown made of thorns, the Lamb of God.

 

[Elia]

I mean, yeah, you could. But that would be irrational.

I'd rather take what is meant as literal as literal, and what is figurative as figurative.

And I would recognize that sometimes some things that are literal are figurative of other things. Not all the time, but sometimes, especially in scripture.

For example: Isaac is a type of Christ.

Isaac was a literal person. He literally went with his father up Mount Moriah, and Abraham literally almost killled him there, but was stopped by God, and presented with a literal ram caught in a literal thicket.

However, Isaac is also figurative of Christ. Christ went up Mount Moriah, and WAS killed, and upon His head was a crown made of thorns, the Lamb of God.

Bs"d

Those figurative things you can believe, or not. The Muslims believe that the suffering servant is Mohammed. You can believe whatever you want, but of course it doesn't prove anything.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Those figurative things you can believe, or not.

I believe every word in the Bible, not just some.

The Muslims believe that the suffering servant is Mohammed.

And they're wrong, of course, but what does that have to do with anything being discussed here?

You can believe whatever you want, but of course it doesn't prove anything.

Do you recognize that some literal things can be figurative of other things?

 

[Elia]

I believe every word in the Bible, not just some.

Bs"d

But it is just that some words you can put a totally different meaning in them.

And they're wrong, of course, but what does that have to do with anything being discussed here?

I just show that you behave the same way like the Muslims. They project Muhammed in the servant of God, and you project your messiah in it.

And just like the Muslims are wrong, you are wrong.

Do you recognize that some literal things can be figurative of other things?

Yes, but that doesn't mean you can project in it whatever you want.