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The origin of the universe cannot be determined scientifically

Silent Hunter

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That picture's pretty cool! How'd you do that? Is that a big telescope, or a smaller private one? Is that one exposure?
Hey, thanks! 43 x 3 minute exposures. Sky Watcher Esprit 100 ED Triplet. ZWO ASI2600MC camera. At Big Cypress Nationl Preserve, Florida. Here's another couple.
 

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Silent Hunter

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1. Seems irrelevant to your previous comment.

2. Those models are based on "big bang" assumptions, which have numerous problems.

3. I already know enough about that type of highly biased speculation.
1. I Googled it. Try it sometime.
2. They're not.
3. You don't know enough if "my version of a deity did it" is all you have in your scientific arsenal. "I don't know" is the better answer in lieu of the unknown.

Your whole "argument" is "there are problems with a SCIENTIFIC theory, therefore, something". Even if the BBT was shown to be totally incorrect it doesn't mean your version of a deity is responsible by default. It isn't even close.
 
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1. I Googled it. Try it sometime.
You're a hoot!
2. They're not.
Yes, they are.
3. You don't know enough if "my version of a deity did it" is all you have in your scientific arsenal. "I don't know" is the better answer in lieu of the unknown.
Again, you're a HOOT!
Your whole "argument" is "there are problems with a SCIENTIFIC theory, therefore, something".
There are multiple explanations for the origin of the universe.
The "big bang" has tons of problems, some of which the Creation Model does not have an issue with.
Even if the BBT was shown to be totally incorrect it doesn't mean your version of a deity is responsible by default. It isn't even close.
Only because your world view precludes Him. The actual facts have no problem with Creation.
 

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So it's all about the MODELS. How are the MODELS verified?
There is a direct method to estimate a star's distance called parallax, which is done by noting the apparent shift of a body's position against the background as the Earth moves around the sun. Basic trig and Pythagoras. This method is only practical for relatively close stars.

For stars more distant they use assumptions about size and luminosity based on light spectrums and blue or red shift. It would take a bit of work to break down those assumptions to form a substantive challenge to the establishment ideas of galactic distances, but it might be a worthwhile effort.

Barry Setterfield does some good work.
 

Silent Hunter

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1. You're a hoot!
2. Yes, they are.
3. Again, you're a HOOT!
4. There are multiple explanations for the origin of the universe.
5. The "big bang" has tons of problems, some of which the Creation Model does not have an issue with.
6. Only because your world view precludes Him.
7. The actual facts have no problem with Creation.
1. I'm the funniest person I know.
2. No. The ages of stars are totally independent of the BBT.
3. Not as outrageously funny as the average creationist. All bluster, no substance.
4. Sure. I'm not bothered by it. Why are you?
5. Yours doesn't work without invoking your personal preferred version of a diety to fill in for whatever you don’t know or understand. I'm comfortable with I don’t (yet) know.
6. Don't pretend to know what I think about the nature of the Universe.
7. Until you have sufficient evidence, beyond, "The "big bang" has tons of problems", your personal preferred version of a diety was involved with the Universe in ANY way you have zip.
 
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Silent Hunter

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There is a direct method to estimate a star's distance called parallax, which is done by noting the apparent shift of a body's position against the background as the Earth moves around the sun. Basic trig and Pythagoras. This method is only practical for relatively close stars.

For stars more distant they use assumptions about size and luminosity based on light spectrums and blue or red shift. It would take a bit of work to break down those assumptions to form a substantive challenge to the establishment ideas of galactic distances, but it might be a worthwhile effort.

Barry Setterfield does some good work.
There are a number of methods to ESTIMATE stellar/galactic distances. Except for the closest few hundred stars all other distances are educated estimates... guesses.
 

Silent Hunter

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1. Your insult was obvious to anyone that can read.

2. There is plenty of evidence; you have just closed your eyes tight. I will not attempt to open them.
1. Your perception and my intent are mutually exclusive, compare W. Smith and C. Rock.

2. An infinite amount of nothing is still not much.
 

Silent Hunter

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1. No thanks

2 There is plenty of evidence to those that do not bury their head in the sand.
1. Didn't watch the Oscars, don't watch the news... check.

2. Looked for the evidence of the Christian deity (and all other deities) in the sand on the beach in Florida. None found. Perhaps California?
 
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